Not so with Rich, whereas all the folks who would come to Rich's side have been liquidated from marvel..really there is no positive comments from anybody about the star of a series Marvel fans voted was the #8 best Marvel story of all time per newsarama.
Do you know, I've tried to inject some comments about the controversy surrounding Sam on his Wikipedia page, and i find someone edits the comments away every time..when i look some named Mickeymouse10 has logged in..this is such a corporate BS takeover.
We cant be silenced on this!
--Previous Message--
: I think NINO is already on life support and
: would've been gone already if there wasn't
: some other agenda we don't know about yet
: (as in Disney kiddie movie pitch). That
: happens and we'll never see Rich again. So
: we need to keep it from happening by
: ensuring NINO fails. NINO needs to fail
: miserably and decisively - and the Rider
: fans still buying NINO need to be the ones
: to end it like I described by joining those
: of us already boycotting and working on
: NINO's demise.
:
: I'm fine with this so-called
: "creative" team of
: (pseudo)-"cosmic" writers/editors
: NOT using Quasar as they'd just turn him
: into QINO. He can wait until a truly
: talented creative team comes along that
: actually likes and respects cosmic and the
: character. That's why I'd be fine with Rich
: remaining alive, powered, and a hero - but
: marooned in the Cancerverse until a better
: writing/editing team comes along after NINO
: fails and once they move Bendis to writing
: Star Wars (you know that's going to happen
: next year - they'll say he "cut his
: teeth" on GotGINO and now they're
: moving their number 1 writer to Star Wars).
: That will be hard to do if they turn him
: into a drunk old loser like Jesse. I want
: writers and editors writing Rich that
: actually like and understand cosmic, the
: character, the fans, and the continuity -
: not the Bendis' and Loebs of the world who
: just jumped on the cosmic bandwagon when the
: GotG movie was announced as they saw it as a
: potential cash cow. That attitude is obvious
: and it shows in the quality of the work
: (nothing but cliche after cliche).
:
: --Previous Message--
: Well NINO is not selling...its barely at
: 22k
: despite unbeleivable $ spent on creative
: talent, advertising and general
: pimpage..with 2 major roles in big events
: and a cartoon role on Ultimate SPidey. I
: know you know that, but point is we've
: basically won. The fight IMO is essentially
: over. Even Paco Medina is going to be
: leaving and we are getting the 3rd string
: guy (who looks decent though).
:
: If marvel has a perma death in store for
: Rich or to villanize him...Sam will lose
: many more readers like me. I'd like to see
: how the Jesse situation is executed before
: writing it off.
:
: Marvel could let this book simmer on down to
: 15k or so , as they did for the Kevin
: Grievioux New Warriors book...but that was
: more or less done.
:
: I see a boost from GOTG but not a major
: major one...and when that boost sees
: something totally different than the movie
: it wont last long.
:
: A lot of this is smokescreen. We need some
: major retconning to iron out a lot of the
: errors in this whole book...but its not
: undoable..
:
: I've enjoyed what DUggans put together here
: but the ship is already sunk...LOEB and
: WELLS killed this book and not working with
: DnA/Giffen fans put the stake through the
: book's chest. IMO its one of the biggest
: messess in Marvel History!
:
: We can argue about QUasar till the cows come
: home. Ultimatly that battle was fought on a
: different playing field where we had a
: creative team that was far more into
: continuity and marvel history(and fan
: feedback). Frankly, I dont know what you do
: when Quasar was inexplicable absent from all
: these so called cosmic tales...its just as
: insulting as non use.
:
:
:
: --Previous Message--
: I never said "kill Sam off" as in
: have him die in the course of a comic book
: story (even though that would be fine with
: me, I agree that they'd never do it). By
: "Kill NINO" it's pretty clear from
: the content of my message that I meant
: boycott the book until sales fall below 20K
: and they have little choice but to cancel
: the book or publish it at a loss. That's
: the only way Rich comes back folks. As long
: as NINO is selling, we'll just get more
: NINO. NINO fails and is forgotten -
: Alonso/Brevoort are eventually replaced -
: and some new blood brings Rich back at some
: point in the future. I'm willing to wait. I
: have waited long periods before. Better no
: Nova than NINO. The longer NINO is around,
: the more NINO becomes the status quo.
: Wacker knew this and used to rub our noses
: in it all the time. Brevoort has been very
: clear in saying NINO is a REPLACEMENT and
: NOT a new supplementary character. You keep
: supporting NINO in any way - you're just
: shoveling more dirt onto Rich's grave.
:
: And the Quasar fans did win. They got their
: hero back from being replaced by an inferior
: character. Marvel may not be using him, but
: the point is that he's whole and available
: for use at a time when better
: writing/editing teams bring him back. At
: this point, we can't say the same about
: Rich.
:
: --Previous Message--
: GotG #18 and 19 is going to show us what
: happen in the Cancerverse and that's all it
: is. Like other have said, Richard will not
: be coming back after those issues. Most
: likely we will not see him playing a role in
: the future GotG series and the current
: Sam/Nova series.
:
: Since it's a tie in with the Original Sin,
: we will learn Peter/Starlord's sin of either
: leaving Richard behind or some other way of
: betraying Richard. I remember reading that
: Peter's relationship with one of the member
: of the GotG will be strained and that person
: will most likely be Gamora.
:
: Marvel did say that after the Original Sin
: series is over, there will be five new
: series resulting from the event that took
: place in the Original sin. Maybe one of the
: five series is about Richard Rider/Nova
: Prime.
:
: --Previous Message--
: Makes sense actually. One thing to remember
: is
: that Marvel is a Company. Above and beyond
: any opinion held by staff members, Marvel...
: No, Disney exists to make money.
:
: Kill a book and the bean counters take that
: as people not wanting to read about that
: character. The character gets shelved for a
: while till some one comes up with a way for
: it to make money again.
:
: Convince them that a character will make
: money... And they wont be able to put it in
: enough books. Hell, look at Samuel
: Jackson/Nick Fury. Once the movies showed
: that it worked, they couldn't get him into
: the Primary Marvel Universe quick enough.
:
: I haven't been picking up any books at the
: moment, but now I will be picking up
: Guardians of the Galaxy 18. I encourage
: others to follow this idea as well.
:
: Thanks guys, good idea.
:
: --Previous Message--
: Exactly right! Rider back where he should be
: is priority one. Yet we may have to settle
: with a limbo scenario - because irrespective
: of what happens - lets remember that in
: comics a character - any character can only
: remain dead or defunct under the whims of
: Editorial until a change of power occurs -
: so in Rider's case how GOTG performs at the
: box office is key - being a big risk
: bringing a aspect of the MU to an audience
: that won't be over familiar with the
: concepts BUT as James Gunn states in a
: recent interview for SFX (UK Mag) he sees
: GOTG as the equ of Iron Man - setting the
: scene for future film directors to use for
: Marvel Cosmic related films. I'd support a
: campaign to keep Rich Rider in the public
: eye but I won't support a campaign to try
: and kill off a 14 year old superhero. Even
: I'd draw a line to that. Let sales and
: wallets decide that outcome - concentrate on
: Rich and keep him going in fan fics,
: articles and things like Nova619.
:
:
: --Previous Message--
:
: ..oh and btw on the subject of a
: resolution...wouldnt surprise me with all
: this eye business if Shuma was the big bad
: of Original Sin...he is a giant amorphous
: eye after all.
:
: We will see but, personally even if we all
: ditch the book a few months from now I think
: getting a huge boost in sales, specifically
: for GOTG #18 is a better plan. Show marvel
: we want Rider stories.
:
: Insisting they kill off Sam and undo him
: totally is just too aggressive man...it will
: never win with those egos and how things
: work at marvel. Getting Rider alive and back
: in the fold should be our first priority
: ...and then we trust and continue to
: vocalize about his role till he's leading a
: damn A list Avengers team like he damn well
: should!
:
:
: --Previous Message--
: Yeah but I dont share your total views on
: this.
:
: Jesse as Rich aint a great situation, but
: its better than some of the other
: alternatives. I still insist you underrate
: marvel's ability to just not use something
: forever..ala Genis-Vell.
:
: Also we do have to be prepared for the
: possibility that even though we will find
: out what went on in the cancerverse...we may
: not get the final resolution of it
: there...it could drag on still.
:
: We dont know the full deal with Jesse, why
: he was basically hiding out and a loser..or
: why he allowed Sam to get access to the
: helmet at such a young age. (BTW Sam's mom
: even more guilty here!) Yeah, i tend to
: agree that these are not good traits...but
: they are by no means deal breakers on
: salvaging the situation. So i dont know if
: we can fairly evaluate Jesse Alexander.
:
: The Quasar "battle" was a lot
: different than this. First off Joe Q, ala
: speedball televised his disdain for that
: character (and why) about a year before his
: eventual death. At any rate, even though he
: came back and was a decent supporting
: character its not like it exactly led to a
: "golden era" of Wendell Vaughn
: either...he is basically dead again. Not
: even a mention in Infinity or all these
: cosmic events...it is inexcusable. I dont
: see it as the success story you do.
:
: Personally, marvel does have some talented
: guys in their midst..DUggan doesnt interview
: well but he's a good writer. Yost has even
: acknowledged Namorita (even seemingly the
: DnA one) . Yost said today there was a
: chance he would bring back the original
: Night Thrasher as well.
:
: Maybe we could even get Waid interested in
: taking on Nova or a Nova Corps book. I
: really loved his work with the Crossgen book
: Sigil, and the Saurians et al...He could
: really help marvel cosmic.
:
: People forget Dan Slott is a pretty big
: continuity guy and used to write the old NW
: well in Avengers: The Iniative. If he takes
: a shine to cosmic in Silver Surfer, maybe he
: could get involved with Rider.
:
: Marvel may be cold..but they are not filled
: with naive heartless bastards. Annhilation
: was recently voted the #8 Marvel event of
: all time by fans on newsarama. We need to
: keep sounding off! Personally, I see Loeb's
: influence waning and the possibility the
: movie creators are more on our side.
:
: While I disagree with your "dont buy
: any of this" strategy...i think
: sounding off about wanting Rider back is the
: main thing we need to keep up. I think it
: would also help if GOTG sees a massive spike
: UP in sales...it would send a message to
: marvel we want RIDER.
:
: I'm capable of dropping books..I've trimmed
: down quite a bit of my pull list in the past
: few months. Even though I do buy the books,
: I do have a breaking point as well. I'm
: almost done, however GOTG and the Jesse/
: Black Nova corps situation is handled may
: make or break what i buy. I figure many of
: the 22k reading both these books are like
: me.
:
: As for NW though, really its a good book and
: your missing out.
:
: ..and as I said lets not pretend that
: wrapping up the cancerverse is the only sin
: of this regime and the only reason we've
: been upset..the list is long and has been
: hashed out a zillion times.
:
: I'm just not going to hold a grudge against
: Sam. I hated the new Blue Beetle for what he
: was and ended up liking the book. John
: Walker turned into one of my favorite
: characters of all time. Sometimes these
: things can work out...and Sam could be no
: different. It doesnt have to be about Loeb
: or SW anymore...
:
:
:
: --Previous Message--
: I absolutely hate the idea of Jesse as
: time-displaced Rich. So Bendis further
: humiliates Rich by turning him into a fat,
: drunk, loser who can't take care of his
: family and who endangers his own son? Does
: that sound like the Rich we know and want to
: read about? Sound like the hero we know?
: Anybody here really want to see Rich further
: humiliated like that? Really?
:
: Even worse - if they age-regress him into
: Sam. Or split him into Sam and Jesse. Puke.
: More humiliation.
:
: If/When Bendis does this or some other
: humiliation treatment, will all of you still
: buying NINO and NeWINO finally join me in an
: organized boycott so we can kill NINO in
: retaliation? Will it make you angry enough
: or disgusted enough with how they've treated
: Rich and his fans that you'll do what needs
: to be done and kill NINO?
:
: I will organize a boycott to kill NINO and a
: campaign to bring Rich back. Whatever Bendis
: does can be undone. Marvel just has to be
: motivated to do it - and if we all join
: together and make an organized, concerted
: push - it can be accomplished.
:
: The Quasar fans didn't stand for the
: humiliation of their favorite character and
: they got him back. Why should we be
: complacent and stand for the humiliation of
: our favorite character? Why conclude that
: "efforts like that don't work" as
: some have already concluded - when the
: Quasar effort clearly did work? As have
: other similar efforts (Spider-girl, for
: instance).
:
: --Previous Message--
: Oh, I don't like the looks of that...
:
: Who wants a torch or a pitchfork?
:
: --Previous Message--
: Here is the cover I think many of you will
: dread to see but courtesy of Marvel.com and
: NPP. The final fate of Rich Rider stands
: revealed?! Let the comments commence!
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