In terms of the "Don't boycott because it could backfire" view, I don't see that as a ridiculous point. I had the exact same opinion on the Nova Vol. 5 situation for a long stretch. Part of my initial interest and why I bought the series was because I didn't want to see "Nova" fail and face limbo status. I thought if the new book failed, there was a shot "Nova" could just wind up blackballed...ala so many marvel titles. It does happen..and this weird eclectic marvel crew could surely be capable of something like that. Indeed, I argued with Timelord about this matter at length in those early days.
This is the most stubborn, odd, and strange group of marvel management /editorial ever. Like I say I don't really know for sure if a boycott will work. We have not seen our efforts gain enough steam. Sales do the talking...and I fully believe that. But what could be worse than no Rider for five more years and new stuff that mocks the old?
Marvel is still pretty set about Nova concepts (it seems, though Brevoort mocks the notion of a Corps sometimes) and Sam will be back as an Avenger.
DnA/ Giffen esque storylines and feel have been mothballed still and we fans wanting Rider back have been.
Sam's book had some decent support. #s wise it was not a total disaster (in some ways). Now there was a clear line around issue 15 when it was pretty obvious the book would immensely benefit from Rider's return. But marvel stuck to his guns despite dwindled sales.
three years ago with Rider back I would have been down for new concepts...but not till those wounds are healed. To me these new characters just seem like items to push Rider further down in the dumpster and make folks forget him.
: Well, that is just a foolish line of
: It is predicated on the idea that if there
: was no Sam then there would be a Richard.
: But that is flawed. If they wanted a
: Richard, they would use him.
: So even if Sam fails (and his run has
: failed; we'll see if he becomes useful in
: the ANAD Avengers) this does not mean that
: Rich is coming back.
: Therefore he is not a THREAT.
: Boycotting Sam does not protect Richard at
: all because the root problem is that they do
: not believe in Richard.
: This is further evidenced by them
: introducing new Novas both in Guardians 3000
: and now in the new Infinity Gauntlet.
: They like the idea of Nova. They do not see
: Richard as a viable character (for whatever
: reasons). If these are boycott then either
: one of two things will happen: a.) They
: will keep reinventing Nova until they find
: one people like or b.) They will give up on
: Frankly the best way to get Richard back is
: to EMBRACE any Nova in print. Make sure
: they know we love the Nova Corps. The more
: we embrace the idea of Nova the better
: chance he has of coming back.
: Boycotting is having the opposite effect of
: what you desire. In a sense, you are part
: of the threat and the (admittedly dumbass)
: Sam Alexander.
: --Previous Message--
: The actual meat (or lack thereof) of the
: series forced me to change. I actually
: wanted to like it. I was a huge John Walker
: fan. I liked Jamie Reyes Blue Beetle. I
: adored Genis-vell. I'm down for change, if
: done right.
: As things rolled on, and I saw marvel
: scramble to make a mess out of the potential
: concept of "Sam Alexander"/Vol.5
: and any potential Nova "mythos "
: contributions. Marvel put 3 different
: writers on the book in 10 issues, and I soon
: learned the book was a "soup
: sandwich" of directionless or generic
: storylines that went nowhere. At times, the
: book felt like some hollow ultimate version
: meant for five year old denizens of Matt
: Judge's Idiocracy reality. (I do reference
: this movie often)
: Sam was a poor character who was not even
: allowed grow on the scale of Wolfman's
: original Richard Rider or Peter Parker,
: characters the model so desperately tried to
: knock off. Marvel brass dubbed Sam a cross
: between" Luke Skywalker and Peter
: Parker"( the exact archetype others
: described Richard Rider as when he debuted
: in the 70s). Problem was they all lied, and
: conveniently left out the fact he was mostly
: "Poochie" from the Simpsons.. Both
: Parker and Skywalker grew, and Sam did not.
: With issue #19 , I called it quits and
: dropped the title.
: At that time, after force feeding myself a
: bad book, I became unable to understand how
: anyone could dig the book, especially fans
: of the old higher brow sci fi DnA/Giffen
: stuff. Out on the internet, there was a sea
: of sophomoric fans of Sam that seemed to be
: hostile to the mere mention of Rider.
: Worse, a very real gestalt Disney/Marvel
: consortium , IMO began a campaign to
: discredit us to force Sam into a bigger
: role. So with Nova. Vol.5 certified in my
: book as being a dumpster fire, I didn't see
: it as expanding any sort of
: "mythos" of Nova or the Nova
: Corps, not in a positive way. Admittedly, I
: became very defensive. This material, was in
: some ways, dangerous to good taste
: Thus, in my view, many of these new Sam fans
: became interlopers , not fellow Nova fans.
: They spit on even the old Rider stuff and ,
: just as malicious, as this so called
: "angry group of Rider fans" . For
: me, embracing them was like making friends
: with my ex-wife's new boyfriend. ..not gonna
: happen. Worse, I felt like they were digging
: something that was not even very good. The
: comic really was lousy.
: Therefore, I began to see supporting Sam's
: poor quality, poor direction book as a
: threat . The whole direction was a threat
: to the stories I wanted out of marvel
: cosmic. Vol. 5 was a threat to what I
: considered future good quality comics at
: marvel. It also was clearly a threat to
: the future of my favorite character, Richard
: And that is some of the core of where we
: are. Are these new Nova series/concepts a
: threat to Rider? I'd answer yes, and there
: are plenty of scenarios we could explore
: that would show why. If Sam catches on,
: marvel cranks out an animated Disney movie
: w/ Sam as Nova, kids eat it up with a straw,
: and good old Richard Rider and gritty
: stories about brothers and sisters in arms
: gets shit canned forevermore. All the Rider
: and DnA era gets stuffed in a gutter pretty
: damn quick...in fact so does the whole
: genre.(and unless your into Star Wars, its
: kinda where we are IMO) It could easily
: happen. Again, the paranoia is reasonable
: when we simply go back in marvel history and
: show when it did happen...because it
: certainly has.
: --Previous Message--
: I have not been enjoying Nova/Sam, at all. I
: think I liked more of the stuff with Carrie,
: than the actual action/Nova stuff. It is
: just a bit too childish for me. I am hoping
: things "grow up" because, at this
: point, I will not be purchasing the Sam
: title after Secret Wars ends, if the Sam
: title returns. I have not liked the art or
: the story, but I have kept reading. But I am
: at the end of my rope. It is not fun for me,
: especially after the great stuff we old
: schoolers had with volume four. That was
: great writing, growth, character
: development, and more up my alley.
: I have no disdain for anyone who still reads
: Sam. I would be a hypocrite if I did,
: because I have bought each one. I am,
: however, a bit sad that Nova has abandoned a
: great character and made the title (and many
: other Marvel titles) way too simple and
: I will read the post-apocalyptic Nova title.
: The art looks great, and the story may be
: more up my alley. But after that, I hope
: things change for the better.
: The funny thing is, Marvel seems very
: committed to the Nova idea. They are trying
: hard to keep it going. But they are not
: putting out a great product, yet.
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