: An argument could be made for what you say.
: Please remember though that Son House was
: filmed during his mid-1960s
: "rediscovery" playing with a metal
: "bottleneck". Of course it can be
: said that he had to re-learn all his guitar
: parts with his fans (Al Wilson and Colin
showing him how to play with a
: bottleneck. Did Son House originally play
: with a knife? I don't think so. Please
: consider the following :
: A great DVD is the John Hammond-hosted
: "The Search for Robert Johnson".
: This 1991 documentary features both Johnny
: Shines and Honeyboy Edwards. talking about
: Johnson's guitar strings, and tunings. They
: personally knew him and not once do they
: mention that Johnson used a knife. In fact
: they themselves used "bottlenecks"
: in the film.
: Knives were indeed popular among some slide
: players. But they have a "scrapey"
: sound. Robert Johnson, Patton, and Blind
: Willie sound much too smooth to have used a
: knife. I hear a rounded edge touching the
: strings so
: I believe they used bottlenecks.
: --Previous Message--
: Just to put a cat among the pigeons, I was
: wondering if there's any actual evidence
: that Patton, Blind Willie Johnson, Robert
: Johnson, or anyone one else, for that
: matter, actually played and/or recorded
: using what we now call
: "bottleneck" style guitar in the
: 1920s or '30s?
: Enlargements of the (relatively) recently
: discovered "studio" portrait of
: Patton, clearly shows him playing
: "knife" style on a "12
: fret" parlour held at 45 degrees on his
: Further evidence in favour of Patton's use
: of "knife" style, comes from
: recordings like "When Your Way Gets
: Dark", played in open A, which features
: regular slide excursions up to the 17th fret
: (assuming he was tuned 'up' to open A, or
: the 19th fret, if he was tuned 'down' to
: open G and capoed at the 2nd fret), which
: are hardly easy to play
: "bottleneck" style. This lick
: found it's way into Robert Johnson's
: "Come On In My Kitchen".
: Both Patton and Johnson also often tended to
: play slide out of 'Spanish' tuning pitched
: in keys as high as B and B flat.
: We tend to forget that pre-war steel string
: sets came in just one gauge: 14 to 64. Prior
: to the mid-'30s, guitars had no adjustable
: truss rods and only a few, top-of-the-line,
: instruments even had an inert truss rod.
: Cheaper instruments within the financial
: reach of blues players would not have been
: able to take the string tension of a set of
: steel strings tuned to open A without
: Just in standard tuning, a string set like
: this tuned to concert on a guitar with a
: 24.8" scale, generates 220 lb ft of
: torque on a guitar bridge. That's probably
: more than the peak torque your car puts down
: to the road through its driven wheels.
: Skip James recorded using a Stella 12
: string, strung with only 6 strings and tuned
: down to "cross note" 3 frets below
: I suspect everyone else tuned down and used
: a capo. Try playing bottleneck on a "12
: fret", tuned to open G and capoed at
: the 4th fret to play in the key of B. What
: used to be your 12th fret is now fret 16.
: Now play that Patton lick that used to go to
: fret 17, but which now goes from fret 16 to
: fret 21. Easy, isn't it?
: Now forget about "bottleneck" and
: play it "knife" style, as I'm
: convinced they did, back in the day.
: Any thoughts?