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TB Friends today-closed feedlot near Santa Rosa?! Posted by M on 10/20/2009, 11:57 am Message modified by board administrator 10/20/2009, 3:06 pm [Edited by admin to remove names in order to comply with board rules. Please read it in its entirety at http://www.tbfriends.com/]. Tuesday, October 20th... Reliable word comes of a giant feed lot near Santa Rosa. The place has been in operation since August. More than 50 horses can be held at the same time. All breeds. Horses from this feed lot are shipped to slaughter in Mexico. No one, not even rescue organizations, can purchase any of these horses. In our town of Woodland, on the border of Davis, a small ranch which holds mexican rodeo horses. The last stop until transportation to slaughter. Once again, no one allowed to buy. In the fancy town of Napa, a not so fancy farm. Also holding horses until shipment to slaughter. Absolutley no visitors. A rooster fighting joint near Lodi has doomed mexican rodeo horses. Horse killers _______ and _______ do business out of Pittsburgh. Horse killers ______ and _______ operate in Wilton. A guy named ______ (sounds like a daytime soap) is now working a rooster fighting, horse holding farm in Vallejo. Dozens of e-mails asking for more information. So here we go: The Wilton feed lot has scales, and horses are weighed before rescue. Prices depend on what slaughter plants are currently paying. We pay by the pound for a horse in Wilton. Pittsburgh and Vallejo there are no scales. Weight is guessed. Of course my guess is much lower than theirs. But it is their guess which matters. A big stock trailer filled with 15 horses can earn a horse killer between two and three thousand dollars. Back and forth they go, usually two trips a week. Horse killers get their horses from livestock auctions. Also ads on the internet. Perception is a bunch of old bags of bones. But nope, the majority of doomed horses are young and useful. There was a big feed lot in Dixon, but animal rights protesters drove them to another town. Due to the unwanted attention brought by animal rights groups, rescue organizations can no longer purchase their horses. Except for Tbfriends. We are seeing more and more horse killers who are female. Including _______, once married to _______. ________ cons non suspecting folks out of their horses. Mostly from answering ads on the internet. __________ shows up with her young daughter ________. The two act so happy to get your horse. But in the next week or so your horse is slaughtered. Lots of school students, ages 12 to college, asking Tbfriends for an interview. Doing essay papers on race horses, slaughter bound horses, starving horses, mexican rodeo horses, or successful adoptions. There is one question every student asks: How can I stand to be around horse killers? It makes me incredibly angry to deal with those who exploit horses for cash. There are horse killers who cannot speak English, which is doubly frustrating. Not even legal in America, and they come here to kill our horses. It is getting worse and worse and worse. We are seeing violence at livestock auctions. Horse killers fighting over the same poor horse. You begin to wonder, exactly how many horses are there in Northern California? Gotta be millions.  Post a Response

Any idea where near Santa Rosa? Haven't heard of any Posted by FriesianMom on 10/20/2009, 1:04 pm, in reply to "TB Friends today-closed feedlot near Santa Rosa?!" 12.149.148.7 thru the rescue groups I work with. Thanks  Post a Response

no n/m Posted by M on 10/20/2009, 8:27 pm, in reply to "Any idea where near Santa Rosa? Haven't heard of any" 76.191.192.149 .  Post a Response

I just don't understand... Posted by MysteryTheMorab on 10/20/2009, 2:01 pm, in reply to "TB Friends today-closed feedlot near Santa Rosa?!" 64.54.105.78 why the LAW can't (or won't) do something about these places....  Post a Response

Re: I just don't understand... Posted by SandyS on 10/20/2009, 2:28 pm, in reply to "I just don't understand..." 170.202.222.1 Why doesn't the law do something about people who throw away horses (not to sound snarky)? Why does everyone think the LAW should take care of things? If there weren't people getting rid of horses, there wouldn't be anything for the kill buyers to purchase.  Post a Response

Re: I just don't understand... Posted by MysteryTheMorab on 10/20/2009, 2:37 pm, in reply to "Re: I just don't understand..." 64.54.105.78 Not taken as snarky but we do have laws against selling for meat....where is the enforcement? People over breeding is not against the law..just ignorant. People sending horses to auctions is not against the law...again ignorant or uncaring but legal. People weighing horses and putting them on trailers to head for the boarder...unless we go back to vigilantes we have no other option except rely on the law.  Post a Response

It's against the "LAW" in CA to buy, sell or transport horses to slaughter!! Posted by LovemyTB on 10/20/2009, 3:54 pm, in reply to "Re: I just don't understand..." 76.246.149.55 This "law" was passed in CA in 1998!! Prohibition of Horse Slaughter and Sale of Horsemeat for Human Consumption Act of 1998 and part of the law reads: 598c. (a) Notwithstanding any other provision of law, it is unlawful for any person to possess, to import into or export from the state, or to sell, buy, give away, hold, or accept any horse with the intent of killing, or having another kill, that horse, if that person knows or should have known that any part of that horse will be used for human consumption. Save a life, adopt a slaughter-bound horse! Link: Proposition 6  Post a Response

yes, that is what I said... Posted by MysteryTheMorab on 10/20/2009, 4:03 pm, in reply to "It's against the "LAW" in CA to buy, sell or transport horses to slaughter!! " 64.54.105.78 Where is the enforcement?  Post a Response

The lack of enforcement is scary Posted by LovemyTB on 10/20/2009, 4:37 pm, in reply to "yes, that is what I said..." 76.246.149.55 And adding insult to injury, as Joe stated, many of the people making money off breaking the law don't even pay taxes. Like you, I just don't understand and it makes me sad and angry. Save a life, adopt a slaughter-bound horse!  Post a Response

What politician do we need to start bugging.... Posted by Mickeyfan34 on 10/21/2009, 11:45 am, in reply to "The lack of enforcement is scary" 71.136.1.185 to make a difference? The law was passed and maybe it's time we get active and start forcing our government to respect their own laws. "Horses stay the same from the day they are born until the day they die. They are only changed by the way people treat them." --"Silent Tom" Smith, trainer of the famous Seabiscuit  Post a Response

doesn't preclude sale for dog meat. Posted by Dr Thunes on 10/20/2009, 4:38 pm, in reply to "It's against the "LAW" in CA to buy, sell or transport horses to slaughter!! " 70.212.194.241 It says "human consumption" therefore as I read it, it provides no protection for the slaughter of horses to be used for anything else, for example dog food. The above statement does not appear to hold water if you will kill the horse for other uses. How do you prove these horses in the feedlots will be going to human consumption? If it isn't for human consumption then it would appear legal based on the above. Give they leave the country it would be he said vs she said. I can't see how the law can enforce this. Clair Independent Equine Nutritionist, Equilibrate Equine Consulting, www.equilibrateequine.com clair@equilibrateequine.com  Post a Response

My thoughts exactly.. Posted by mountaingirl89 on 10/20/2009, 5:14 pm, in reply to "doesn't preclude sale for dog meat." 12.104.134.130 ... Still doesn't make it ok though.  Post a Response

hauler must have all slaughter horses and the vehicle inspected Posted by M on 10/20/2009, 8:26 pm, in reply to "doesn't preclude sale for dog meat." 76.191.192.149 Transporter is required to have AC inspect horses and vehicles 597o. (a) Any person who transports an equine in a vehicle to slaughter shall meet the following requirements: (1) The vehicle shall have sufficient clearance to allow the equine to be transported in a standing position with its head in a normal upright position above its withers. (2) Any ramps and floors in the vehicle shall be covered with a nonskid surface to prevent the equine from slipping. (3) The vehicle shall provide adequate ventilation to the equine while the equine is being transported. (4) The sides and overhead of the vehicle shall be constructed to withstand the weight of any equine which may put pressure against the sides or overhead. (5) Any compartments in the interior of the vehicle shall be constructed of smooth materials and shall contain no protrusions or sharp objects. (6) The size of the vehicle shall be appropriate for the number of equine being transported and the welfare of the equine shall not be jeopardized by overcrowding. (7) Stallions shall be segregated during transportation to slaughter. (8) Diseased, sick, blind, dying, or otherwise disabled equine shall not be transported out of this state. (9) Any equine being transported shall be able to bear weight on all four feet. (10) Unweaned foals shall not be transported. (11) Mares in their last trimester of pregnancy shall not be transported. (12) The person shall notify a humane officer having jurisdiction 72 hours before loading the equine in order that the humane officer may perform a thorough inspection of the vehicle to determine if all requirements of this section have been satisfied.  Post a Response

from TBFriends this a.m. Posted by MysteryTheMorab on 10/21/2009, 8:08 am, in reply to "hauler must have all slaughter horses and the vehicle inspected " 64.54.105.78 (slaughter plants are located in Canada and Mexico. It is illegal to transport horses out of California for the purpose of human consumption. Of course once the driver gets into Oregon, or Arizona, he can go anywhere he wants. California laws do not apply. Dumbest law ever written)  Post a Response

law or no LAW horses leave the state everyday for slaughter nm Posted by jumps for joy on 10/20/2009, 8:13 pm, in reply to "It's against the "LAW" in CA to buy, sell or transport horses to slaughter!! " 173.67.123.136 nm  Post a Response

yes, that is a fact of life. and death. nm Posted by MysteryTheMorab on 10/21/2009, 8:08 am, in reply to "law or no LAW horses leave the state everyday for slaughter nm" 64.54.105.78 nm  Post a Response

not sure why it surprises folks as Posted by jumps for joy on 10/21/2009, 8:30 am, in reply to "yes, that is a fact of life. and death. nm" 173.67.123.136 running red lights, stealing, embezzling, rape, murder, speeding, running stop signs, hitting children, hitting your wife or er husband, using street drugs etc etc etc etc are all illegal but people do them everyday, so the fact that people break the slaughter law is in no way surprising.  Post a Response

whose surprised...? Posted by MysteryTheMorab on 10/21/2009, 9:05 am, in reply to "not sure why it surprises folks as" 64.54.105.78 bringing an issue to the surface; pointing out that it is happening is not being surprised..... One location, where is it? If people become motivated they may decide to do something even if it just means standing outside that location with signs or bringing it to the attention of the media. Giving up and just accepting is not how this country was made. We can't fix the world, but we can take on issues locally within our means. Every little bit counts. Anyone who thinks the world is fair has their heads in the sand. Doesn't mean one has to accept it.  Post a Response

In all fairness Posted by HeyRady on 10/20/2009, 2:35 pm, in reply to "I just don't understand..." 69.238.199.178 A lot of the people who's horses end up at slaughter are tricked into thinking that their horse is going to a loving home (by killer buyers). And if life was great, had a good job, a great husband and you had two horses . . . and then you lose your job or your husband dies or you get a divorce, and you pay all of your bills and wait until the very last minute to try and come up with some money to keep your horses, but you can't. Life sucks and not all of the horses at the auctions are there from overbreeding. A large percentage probably are, and for those people, shame on them. But for those that have no other choice but to break their hearts and the hearts of their children to try and survive. They are the one's who suffer and can not be blamed for being nieve and desperate and a lot of the horse people think that horse slaughter is still illegal and who would ever think that someone would trick them and then send their beloved pet to slaughter. So in all fairness . . . Horses are not our whole lives, but they make our lives whole. Paradise Acres Equine Retirement http://www.ParadiseAcres.net  Post a Response

agree nm Posted by MysteryTheMorab on 10/20/2009, 2:38 pm, in reply to "In all fairness" 64.54.105.78 nm  Post a Response

Please spread the word Posted by pipnlala on 10/20/2009, 6:28 pm, in reply to "In all fairness" 76.21.79.54 that there is a rescue operating in Sonoma County that is prepared to accept equines from anyone who is contemplating auction or selling to a kill buyer. Contact Kate Sullivan at www.saferhorse.com for more information. Thanks for getting the word out ... we CAN help the horses of Sonoma County.  Post a Response

Agree, but I'd put my horse down before ever Posted by Mickeyfan34 on 10/21/2009, 11:42 am, in reply to "In all fairness" 71.136.1.185 allowing him to be in one of those situations. I've got a very small handful of friends that I'd trust with his life. And if they as a last resort couldn't take him and I couldn't sell him for a high enough price to someone trustworthy enough to also never allow him into that situation.....euthanasia would be the answer. I hope to God it never EVER comes to that. "Horses stay the same from the day they are born until the day they die. They are only changed by the way people treat them." --"Silent Tom" Smith, trainer of the famous Seabiscuit  Post a Response

I'm with you on that one Posted by HeyRady on 10/21/2009, 1:15 pm, in reply to "Agree, but I'd put my horse down before ever" 69.238.199.178 I couldn't let my horses go to some unknown place either. Horses are not our whole lives, but they make our lives whole. Paradise Acres Equine Retirement http://www.ParadiseAcres.net  Post a Response

Re: TB Friends archives? Posted by Rena on 10/21/2009, 10:28 am, in reply to "TB Friends today-closed feedlot near Santa Rosa?!" 99.197.204.241 Are Joe's post archived somewhere?  Post a Response

I know there's a Yahoo group Posted by RobynB on 10/21/2009, 5:35 pm, in reply to "Re: TB Friends archives?" 71.146.137.216 called Friends Of TBFriends - if you join that group, there is a section on it that has most of his posts archived. I think you have to be a member to access it. I am a member, so if there's a certain date you want to see, let me know and if it's there, I can email it to you. You can email me: rbeagle AT earthlink.net  Post a Response

Yes Posted by Gail Ivey on 10/21/2009, 6:45 pm, in reply to "Re: TB Friends archives?" 66.245.45.194 There's another message boards that archives all of Joe's Journals. You might have to search around the site to find them. Alex Brown Racing "Employ your time in improving yourself by other men's writings, so that you shall gain easily what others have labored hard for." - Socrates  Post a Response

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