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Re: What is happening to Goth? Posted by always_happy on 10/23/2009, 9:59 pm, in reply to "What is happening to Goth? " 24.148.30.169 Goth fashion is becoming more popular, especially with the recent fusion with steampunk style that is very popular. but that is such a superficial way to define goth - I consider myself to have been a goth for the last 15 years (30 now) but I never really dressed like a goth (in all black and silver) and I'm just now starting to do that as more of a desire for some fashion and purpose-of-appearance than anything else. I disagree with a lot of definitions of goth, especially this study's (this webpage's). Goth mentality started at the beginning of human consciousness and has always been with us it's not something that started in the 1970's or 80's. We are the melancholic ones who deeply feel the loneliness and isolation of human existence and consciousness; that concept has diverged a bit from the fashion but we shouldn't feel betrayed or injured; instead just be happy (*snicker*) that more souls are being exposed to the dark underbelly of existence. To revisit something I said earlier, the very narrow definition of goth that this website uses is disagreeable to me because I feel it is denying a more universal aspect to our ideas. For example, I would call Johnny Cash a goth (the "man in black") and Sartre with existentialists in general not only dressed like a goth (lots of black) but also wrote about all of the notions that goths dwell upon. Following the literary tradition back we arrive on Nietzsche, another one with a mostly black wardrobe and who worried excessively about the types of things modern goths think about about. Shortly before Nietzsche's rise to fame we have the romantic literary movement that even this website acknowledges as an influence on goth culture - Percy Bishe Shelly, Lord Byron, but most of all (in my opion) the great Goethe. It would be pretty easy to follow this line of thinking all the way back to the beginning of the written word so I ask you, ElderGoth, what do you think the DustGoths from the beginning of time would think about your/our (fashion sense)/(popularity amongst the youths)? --Previous Message-- : Howdy Everyone, : : Before I get to my question, let me provide : some background info on myself. : : I don't really think of myself as goth, more : like a darkwaver ... but it's only a term. : In some cases I'm stereotypical in my goth : lifestyle and outlook - Love The : Cruxshadows, black, am pagan (many many : years), love me some SaladFingers, etc.... : In others, I'm not - can't stand cats, don't : really go to goth clubs, etc... : : By all accounts, I'm a geriatric goth : (eldergoth) .. I'll be 40 this year ... : Still can't figure out how I got to this age : ... : : Ok, now here is my question. What happened : to the goth culture? When did it become : cool? They are putting skulls on kids : clothing. I just purchased a box of bandaids : with skulls on them form The Gap ... I : remember when you had to go to the : "bad" stores to find goth clothes : ... now I can find it at Target. When did we : go from being a statement of individualism : and expression to popular and cool? : Message Thread: What is happening to Goth? - Skippy Vonder Doom 9/20/2009, 1:43 pm Re: What is happening to Goth? - Ruination 11/7/2009, 7:08 am Re: What is happening to Goth? - always_happy 10/23/2009, 9:59 pm Re: What is happening to Goth? - BlackCobra 10/17/2009, 2:33 am Re: What is happening to Goth? - Skippy Vonder Doom 11/11/2009, 10:50 am « Back to thread Post a Response