they are still out there but one has to travel a bit down back country paths not often taken. That is where I found my best deals, a LeBeouf 8 in what looked like mottle, forgot the name for that. Magnificent, I kept staring at that pen all the way home 100 miles, could not believe my luck that day. Another magnificent find was a LeBeouf 8 set in the box in a marbled pattern. And it was only about $100. It took a dedicated effort hitting the road a few times a month and amazingly, some places remembered my name as Always gave out my pen collecting card, a very good idea. Sellers want to know where the buyers are for certain categories, their business is too find and sell as quickly as possible. Happy Hunting !!