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Re: Arts education

Posted by murderingmouth on 2/2/2006, 3:41 pm, in reply to "Arts education"
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Well, my main point in my original post was that I disagree that:
a) any one discipline or vocation is objectively better than another
b) there is no need for children to be "well rounded"
c) every minute of a person's life taken up by things they feel are unproductive and wasteful is a minute closer to the end of that person's life (your job don't count - at least you get paid for those wasteful minutes - being forced to watch dance recitals in elementary school are an objective waste if you hate dance)
I think far too much of my childhood was sucked up by gov't mandated phys ed, art, theatre and other such things which I was not good at and resented every minute of. I don't think I got anything out of it.
Have you seen these commercials? It shows a little girl who wants her dad to read her the urban planning book or something, then says "when your kids don't get enough art, it shows" - implying that if the girl had asked her dad to color a coloring book with her they wouldn't have a problem with it.
Multiple people keep commenting to me "where do they say that arts are objectively better? That's not what they're saying."
You art-lovers should be able to manage a little suggestive imagery, I'd imagine. Watch their commercials, look at their ads, and try to tell me they aren't saying arts are better than other things. They are implying with their commercials that kids who don't do arts are defective. Whitewash it all you want, this is what they mean.
--Previous Message--
: I went to the campaign's site, and I
: don't see where, either directly
: or by implication, they promote
: arts education for kids at the
: expense of other fields of study.
: Their contention is that it's good
: for kids to study the arts,
: regardless of whether they turn
: out to be artists.
:
: Algebra has no relevance to my
: life now, and neither does playing
: the trombone. While I hated one
: and loved the other (while
: becoming proficient at neither),
: does that mean my experience with
: either should be seen as a waste
: of time? As a 14 year old, should
: I have been allowed to say "I
: hate algebra. I shouldn't have to
: take it." Kids aren't the
: best judges of what's going to
: serve them well in the future.
:
: Parents, teachers, and curriculum
: designers aren't perfect, but at
: least they have experience and the
: latter two have studied the
: matter, as have medical
: professionals. Those studies show
: that studying both art and math
: especially aids brain development.
: How is this a bad thing?
:

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Arts education - Bill S 2/2/2006, 2:41 pm
- Re: Arts education - murderingmouth 2/2/2006, 3:41 pm
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--Previous Message-- : Well, my main point in my original : post was that I disagree that: : a) any one discipline or vocation : is objectively better than another : : b) there is no need for children : to be "well rounded" : : c) every minute of a person's life : taken up by things they feel are : unproductive and wasteful is a : minute closer to the end of that : person's life (your job don't : count - at least you get paid for : those wasteful minutes - being : forced to watch dance recitals in : elementary school are an objective : waste if you hate dance) : : I think far too much of my : childhood was sucked up by gov't : mandated phys ed, art, theatre and : other such things which I was not : good at and resented every minute : of. I don't think I got anything : out of it. : : Have you seen these commercials? : It shows a little girl who wants : her dad to read her the urban : planning book or something, then : says "when your kids don't : get enough art, it shows" - : implying that if the girl had : asked her dad to color a coloring : book with her they wouldn't have a : problem with it. : : Multiple people keep commenting to : me "where do they say that : arts are objectively better? : That's not what they're : saying." : : You art-lovers should be able to : manage a little suggestive : imagery, I'd imagine. Watch their : commercials, look at their ads, : and try to tell me they aren't : saying arts are better than other : things. They are implying with : their commercials that kids who : don't do arts are defective. : Whitewash it all you want, this is : what they mean. : : --Previous Message-- : I went to the campaign's site, and : I : don't see where, either directly : or by implication, they promote : arts education for kids at the : expense of other fields of study. : Their contention is that it's good : for kids to study the arts, : regardless of whether they turn : out to be artists. : : Algebra has no relevance to my : life now, and neither does playing : the trombone. While I hated one : and loved the other (while : becoming proficient at neither), : does that mean my experience with : either should be seen as a waste : of time? As a 14 year old, should : I have been allowed to say "I : hate algebra. I shouldn't have to : take it." Kids aren't the : best judges of what's going to : serve them well in the future. : : Parents, teachers, and curriculum : designers aren't perfect, but at : least they have experience and the : latter two have studied the : matter, as have medical : professionals. Those studies show : that studying both art and math : especially aids brain development. : How is this a bad thing? : : :

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