Re: Again : a big big thank
Posted by Boffer on May 10, 2012, 5:42 pm, in reply to "Again : a big big thank "
- In regards to the large diamond necklace that Queen Alexandra wore to her Coronation (which we know to me a conglomerate of various pieces). This is not mentioned at all in the book. |
In fact, the only time it is mentioned, it is incorrectly referred to as 'Queen Alexandra's Wedding Necklace' (the Pearl and Diamond one).
- In regards to other collet necklaces. Queen Adelaide's is not mentioned other than referring to how 3 stones were taken from it, in order to lengthen 'The Coronation Necklace' for Queen Mary in 1911.
In this same year Garrard marked 154 stones as 'C' for Crown Property, thus my inference is that Queen Adelaide's Collet Necklace was broken up into a collection of Collet's that Garrard used to alter Queen Mary's various necklaces.
It was from this collection that 'The Queen's Festoon Necklace' was created; it can thus be argued that the Queen now wears Queen Adelaide's Collet Necklace as her own Festoon Necklace.
There is no actual reference I have ever found, either in the Queen's Diamonds or elsewhere that refers to this 'other necklace' left to the Crown by Queen Victoria. However if it is so, it is likely that it was Queen Adelaide's Collet Necklace; (which was considered Crown Property anyway, as it passed from Adelaide to Victoria in 1837 when Victoria became Queen, not in 1849 upon Adelaide's death).
- Yes, without a doubt, the Queen's collection of jewellery is much larger than what is featured in this publication. This is really just the 'tip of the ice-berg'.
Despite all the alterations by Queen Mary to her jewels, many of which I had already suspected as having been dismantled. There is still a staggering amount of jewels that we occasionally see or know about that hasn't featured in this publication.
What's more, this publication only focuses on diamonds (and pearls). This it is only one proportion of the Queen's collection.
Overall, it can be argued that the Queen's and the British Royal Family's jewellery collection as a whole, must be one of the largest and most historic private collections in the world, sans doute.
: Dear Boffer,
: Thank you so much for all theses
: informations !!
: It was so great ! I am very pleased to know
: that her Majesty owns the the Queen Mary's
: sautoir and the Queen Mary's choker.
: Sad that Queen Elizabeth the Queen Mother
: left the Duchess of Teck's diamond necklace
: to Princess Margaret.
: Do you have informations about the huge
: diamond necklace worn by Queen Alexandra for
: her coronation. I think this necklace has
: been dismantled.
: I think Queen Elizabeth owns severals others
: diamond collets necklaces (I came back to
: home very late tonight I will explain you on
: sunday). I think she owns also the Queen
: Adelaide's collet necklace (It might be the
: other one left to the crown)
: Last but not least, do you think that her
: collection of jewels is more important than
: it is described in the book. As a matter
: most of jewels owned by Queen mary seems to
: have been dismantled or altered. Her
: collection seems smaller than we could
: --Previous Message--
: This new publication provides some
: interesting information on diamond collets
: and diamond collet necklaces that are owned
: and have been owned by the British Royal
: I can provide more detailed quotes if more
: explaining is needed.
: - Queen Charlotte's Collet Necklace .
: Inherited by Queen Victoria, passed to the
: House of Hanover as part of the Hanoverian
: - Queen Adelaide's Collet Necklace. This
: was a necklace of 158 collets inherited by
: Queen Victoria from Queen Adelaide in 1837.
: Three stones from this necklace were used to
: lengthen 'The Coronation Necklace' in 1911.
: - The Coronation Necklace (Previously
: referred to as 'Queen Victoria's Collet
: Necklace'). This was made in 1858, to
: replace Queen Charlotte's necklace that had
: been lost of Hanover.
: It used 28 stones.
: Queen Mary removed two large stones to use
: as earrings in 1911, (these were thus
: replaced by 3 stones from Queen Adelaide's
: Collet Necklace); it thus contained 29
: However, in 1953, The Queen shortened it
: from 29 stones to 25 stones.
: - Queen Alexandra's Collet Necklace . This
: was a wedding-gift to the Princess of Wales
: by the City of London in 1863. It consists
: of 31 diamonds. It passed to Queen Mary in
: 1925, and to the Queen in 1953.
: - It is noted that upon her death in 1953,
: Queen Mary owned eight collets at the end
: of her life. Of which she bequeathed two to
: The Queen (one of which was Queen
: It is noted by Roberts, that The Queen wore
: Queen Alexandra's collet necklace in Canada
: in 2010 (which features in an earlier
: - The Duchess of Teck's Collet Necklace .
: This necklace passed from the Duchess of
: Gloucester to the Duchess of Teck, it was
: described as a necklace of 49 stones. This
: necklace passed to Queen Mary. And in 1953
: it was among the eight collet necklaces that
: she owned. It was left to the Queen Mother
: (who wore it to the 1953 Coronation of her
: (There is a complicated history of the
: necklace constantly having stones removed
: and then later re-added).
: It passed to The Queen in 2002.
: - Queen Mary's Sautoir . This was created,
: in 1928, from another large diamond collet
: necklace that Queen Mary had purchased from
: the Grand-Duchess Vladimir in 1921.
: - Queen Elizabeth’s Coronation Necklace .
: This collet necklace dates from the
: mid-nineteenth century and originally
: contained 40 diamond collets. It was given
: to Queen Elizabeth by George VI in 1937
: (although no record survives as to where
: this necklace was purchased).
: It was inherited by The Queen in 2002, since
: then, it has been loaned to The Duchess of
: Cornwall, who has shortened it by nine
: - In addition to these necklaces that are
: mentioned. It is also mentioned that Garrard
: held a collection of loose diamond collet
: stones since 1911, which were marked with a
: ‘C’ for Crown Property. These stones were
: used by Queen Mary to extend and alter
: collet necklaces. In 1950, there were 154 of
: these loose collet stones held by Garrard,
: when 105 were used to create ’The Queen’s
: Festoon Necklace’ (which was later
: shortened by 10 stones in 1953).
: NOTE: I have not attempted to track a
: chronology of these pieces. As that is
: pretty much impossible to do. Even Queen
: Mary noted in her jewellery inventory that:
: "The collets are constantly altered
: according to the way the necklaces are
: Which makes it almost impossible to track
: the constant changes made to them.
: However by my calculations the Queen now
: owns five collet necklaces:
: 1) The Coronation Necklace (Queen Victoria's
: 2) Queen Alexandra's Collet Necklace
: 3) The Duchess of Teck's Collet Necklace
: 4) Queen Elizabeth's Coronation Necklace
: (loaned to the Duchess of Cornwall)
: 5) A second collet necklace bequeathed to
: her by Queen Mary.
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