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Posted by Maria Olivia
on June 28, 2012, 6:37 am, in reply to "Re: comparison turquoise necklaces and tiara"
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Does that mean that the late Grand Duchess inherited turquoise jewels from her great Grand mother Flanders ?
--Previous Message--
: The Belgian turquoise necklace is now for sale
: at SJ Philips, so there is no possibility
: that it is owned by the Grand-Duchess.
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: What's more, comparing the Grand-Duchess
: large turquoise necklace to the Baden
: necklace, it is clear that although having
: similar elements that they are different
: pieces.
:
: For example in the Baden necklace, the
: palmette motifs contain a large turquoise
: stone, whereas in the Grand-duchess's
: necklace con taints all diamond motifs. Also
: the whole chain is different, whereas the
: grand-duchess's large necklace contains
: turquoise and diamond clusters separated by
: diamond collets; whereas in the Baden
: necklace, the clusters are separated by
: turquoise stones.
:
: Not to mention the countless additional
: pendants.
:
: Thus these two necklaces are totally
: different, and it is my belief that the
: Baden necklace was never purchased for the
: Grand-Duchal collection, and should thus be
: dismissed from future discussion.
:
: I believe above there has been discussed
: four totally different pieces, that are in
: no way connected:
:
: 1) The Baden Turquoise Necklace
: 2) The Grand-Duchess's Large Turquoise
: Necklace
: 3) The Grand-Duchess's Small Turquoise
: Necklace
: 4) The Grand-Duchess's Turquoise Tiara
:
: (And also the Belgian Turquoise necklace was
: briefly mentioned).
:
: --Previous Message--
: Your close ups are fantastic as always
: Tamara!
: And I still say the Baden necklace is the
: one GD Maria Teresa wore in Brussels in
: April 2007 but remodeled.
: On your last close up it is clearer : you
: can perfectly distinguish the palmettes
: dangling with some remodeling : two small
: pendants added on each side of the palmette
: on the central motif while on the following
: one, on both side, they receive one larger
: pendant upon each palmette.
:
: Now having seen the belgian turquoise
: necklace you posted above (from Countess of
: Flanders provenance), I'm pretty sure it is
: GD Maria Teresa's one which was worn on
: Finnish State Visit (2008 if I recall
: correctly). If you put the girandole pendant
: of the brooch dangling on the necklace, it
: fits perfectly. This necklace was auctionned
: the year before rather by Pss Maria
: Gabriella of Savoy. Some of its stones could
: have been constitute the current GD tiara in
: addition of some of the Baden necklace.
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: Thus in conclusion, my theory if I may say
: so is : all the turquoises belonging to the
: Countess of Flanders are now in the GD of
: Luxembourg vault.
:
: --Previous Message--
: Radama...yes, the tear shape turquoise
: surrounded with diamonds is
: "similar" design but not
: identical...I am referring to your scan of
: the Baden turquoise necklace and turquoise
: tiara worn by GD.
:
: Here is your scan rotated to see how it
: would look as a tiara...and I can clearly
: see that both jewels cannot be compared
: because Baden design looks much older (more
: refined)in its design than the one worn by
: GD.
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:
: Honestly, the Baden necklace has interesting
: similarities with the Belgien turquoise
: parure that was given to Maria Pia of Savoy,
: which is now with SJ Phillips awaiting for
: its new owner.
:
:
: As far as this turquoise necklace is
: concerned (the clearest picture I have),
: this is totally different necklace. To me it
: looks like British version of diamond
: necklace of Queen Alexandra, where the
: pieces were removed to make earrings, which
: is now with Queen Sonja. (I am gong off
: topic now lol)...You can almost remove
: second element pieces (2 turquoise on top of
: another) and use them as earrings...
:
: what I am trying to say is that, this
: necklace is NOT the same as the one GD wore
: as tiara and necklace...as I agree with
: Boris, we are talking about 4 different
: jewels that have no connection.
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: --Previous Message--
: I may be wrong but I don't agree with you
: Boris. I explain it :
: IMO the setting of the oval-shape pendants
: on the Baden necklace are identical to those
: of the tiara and the stones are of the same
: size. Idem for the smaller turquoises and
: the rounds ones.
:
: Indeed there are more stones in the tiara
: but I think they could have been added and
: the Baden necklace is not seen in its whole
: part (see the picture I scanned for my first
: post).
: But above all, just my guesses.
:
: --Previous Message--
: Radama, that's an interesting theory, but:
: - Only three pendants of the Baden necklace
: resemble the design of the setting of all
: the turquoises in the tiara
: - The necklace does have larger and less
: turquoises than the tiara
: - There's no evidence that the Luxembourg
: Grand ducal family bought the Baden necklace
: in the first place
: - I don't see the connection between tiara
: and GD Maria Theresa's grand necklace
: either, because the turquoises in the motifs
: removed when the necklace was worn in its
: shorter version are indeed larger than the
: ones in the tiara - see Tamara's post above.
:
: In other words, I'm sorry but I don't think
: that your theory is correct.
: IMO, the tiara, GD Maria Teresa's necklace
: and the Baden necklace are three different
: pieces.
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