Torlonia Aquamarine tiara

Posted by Hans on May 13, 2012, 5:27 am
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I read today in "De Standaard" a Flemish newspaper that the King already had bought the aqumarine parure for 7 million euros from the Torlonia family. http://orderofsplendor.blogspot.com/2012/05/tiara-thursday-queen-victoria-eugenias.html

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Posted by Maria Olivia on May 13, 2012, 5:30 am, in reply to "Torlonia Aquamarine tiara"
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I don’t understand the Torlonia/Weiler are rich . --Previous Message-- : I read today in "De Standaard" a : Flemish newspaper that the King already had : bought the aqumarine parure for 7 million : euros from the Torlonia family. : : : http://orderofsplendor.blogspot.com/2012/05/tiara-thursday-queen-victoria-eugenias.html : : :

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Posted by Henri M on May 13, 2012, 5:48 am, in reply to "Re: Torlonia Aquamarine tiara"
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Well, if the story is true, they are 7 million richer now. This must be seen against tha background that the King of Spain wants to require historical jewels back for his House. This is essentially the same as the King of Sweden buying back the ruby necklace which is now a diadem and, according rumours, Countess Estelle Bernadotte's diadem.

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Posted by wymanda on May 13, 2012, 5:50 am, in reply to "Re: Torlonia Aquamarine tiara"
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I've sometimes doubted King J-C's common sense but I can't see him being so stupid as to spend money like that when his country is bordering on bankruptcy and his wifes country of birth is in an even more perilous state. --Previous Message-- : I don’t understand the Torlonia/Weiler are : rich . : : --Previous Message-- : I read today in "De Standaard" a : Flemish newspaper that the King already had : bought the aqumarine parure for 7 million : euros from the Torlonia family. : : : : http://orderofsplendor.blogspot.com/2012/05/tiara-thursday-queen-victoria-eugenias.html : : : : :

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Posted by Henri M on May 13, 2012, 8:03 am, in reply to "Re: Torlonia Aquamarine tiara"
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Better spend money on reclaiming Bourbon heritage than on hunting and maîtresses. If it is acquired, many future Bourbon ladies can enjoy these jewels.

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Posted by Cynthia on May 13, 2012, 8:06 am, in reply to "Re: Torlonia Aquamarine tiara"
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And better than having the cash sitting in a bank losing value to inflation (or a failed bank). IF it's true. Seven million seems awfully high for this piece, splendid though it is. For the entire set, *maybe* I can see it, based on recent auction results.

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Posted by Agnes on May 13, 2012, 8:13 am, in reply to "Re: Torlonia Aquamarine tiara"
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7 millions or not (little bit expensive) I like it in first version. --Previous Message-- : And better than having the cash sitting in a : bank losing value to inflation (or a failed : bank). : : IF it's true. Seven million seems awfully : high for this piece, splendid though it is. : For the entire set, *maybe* I can see it, : based on recent auction results. :

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Posted by ErikS on May 13, 2012, 8:30 am, in reply to "Torlonia Aquamarine tiara"
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A figure of 7 mln seems a bit of a bad deal and improbable to me. As far as I know the parure doesn't have outstanding gemstones of rare quality in the most expensive range and the jewels contain no larger diamonds. The design of the tiara: it resembles the Grand Duchess Vladimir but it's weakly executed

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Posted by Henri M on May 13, 2012, 8:49 am, in reply to "Re: Torlonia Aquamarine tiara"
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I think the price range is way exaggerated and that the Torlonias and Bourbons seek to reach a fair price.

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Posted by Martina on May 13, 2012, 12:18 pm, in reply to "Re: Torlonia Aquamarine tiara"
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Besides I think that the King would be careful to avoid the leakage of the deal and especially the price. He knows how sensitive the current situation is. The Torlonias are family, I don't think that they would talk about a sale either. Maybe it's only a rumour?

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Posted by Hans on May 13, 2012, 1:17 pm, in reply to "Re: Torlonia Aquamarine tiara"
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Indeed dear Martina, I only read this in a newspaper, not an official document! De Standaard is a quite good newspaper but still a newspaper!

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Posted by Luke on May 13, 2012, 4:07 pm, in reply to "Re: Torlonia Aquamarine tiara"
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I seriously doubt this is true. A Spanish newspaper reported last month that the King was negotiating but one family member did not want to sell. But that article was very suspect and shoddy. In any event, I don't think the King has 7 million euros to spend, and certainly wouldn't do so publicly in this economy and in the face of the recent negative press regarding the elephant and his son in law's investigation. As to the speculated price, that parure, even though the tiara was redesigned by Bulgari and the necklace is by Cartier, is worth at most half a million, double that for its historical/royal provenance...so a max of $1 million (dollars not euros...and that is the high high end). By way of comparison, the Paley aquamarine parure by Cartier sold for the following: Tiara $512,000; Necklace $392,000

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Posted by Martina on May 13, 2012, 4:28 pm, in reply to "Re: Torlonia Aquamarine tiara"
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And for whom would the king buy the jewels? His marriage obviously only exists on paper, and there are not the slightest hints that he is fond of his daughter-in-law. Why then should he go so far as to pay 7 million for a tiara which even was completely re-set since his grandmother Queen Ena owned it? --Previous Message-- : I seriously doubt this is true. A Spanish : newspaper reported last month that the King : was negotiating but one family member did : not want to sell. But that article was very : suspect and shoddy. In any event, I don't : think the King has 7 million euros to spend, : and certainly wouldn't do so publicly in : this economy and in the face of the recent : negative press regarding the elephant and : his son in law's investigation. : : As to the speculated price, that parure, : even though the tiara was redesigned by : Bulgari and the necklace is by Cartier, is : worth at most half a million, double that : for its historical/royal provenance...so a : max of $1 million (dollars not euros...and : that is the high high end). By way of : comparison, the Paley aquamarine parure by : Cartier sold for the following: Tiara : $512,000; Necklace $392,000 :

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Posted by Count75 on May 13, 2012, 5:47 pm, in reply to "Re: Torlonia Aquamarine tiara"
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He's a king and thinks differently that the rest of us. He probably has a sense of entitlement due to his unique position. --Previous Message-- : I've sometimes doubted King J-C's common sense : but I can't see him being so stupid as to : spend money like that when his country is : bordering on bankruptcy and his wifes : country of birth is in an even more perilous : state. : : --Previous Message-- : I don’t understand the Torlonia/Weiler are : rich . : : --Previous Message-- : I read today in "De Standaard" a : Flemish newspaper that the King already had : bought the aqumarine parure for 7 million : euros from the Torlonia family. : : : : : http://orderofsplendor.blogspot.com/2012/05/tiara-thursday-queen-victoria-eugenias.html : : : : : : :

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Posted by Henri M on May 14, 2012, 1:06 am, in reply to "Re: Torlonia Aquamarine tiara"
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The prize of 7 million dollar is waaaay exaggerated and is best to be forgotten. I agree with Luke: 1 million is already overpriced and is the maximum. The parure can be purchased however for Fifty Golden Years. Despite the problems in the marriage (Juliana & Bernhard had, Albert & Paola had, etc.) there is a milestone. Doña Sofía is not only the King's wife, she is also Spain's Queen and a Princess of Greece and Denmark. She deserves it to get such a nice royal cadeau.

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Posted by Martina on May 14, 2012, 1:43 am, in reply to "Re: Torlonia Aquamarine tiara"
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Henri, I fully agree that Queen Sophia deserves a good present like this. But they decided even not to celebrate their golden wedding! Whereas the marriage of Julian & Bernhard and Albert & Paola both have improve after severe crisis, this seems not to be the case in Spain. It seems like the marriage is at an all-time-low. Sophia would know that such a jewellery gift would only be meant for the Queen, not for the wife. What she needs more than jewellery is a friendly and loving husband. --Previous Message-- : The prize of 7 million dollar is waaaay : exaggerated and is best to be forgotten. I : agree with Luke: 1 million is already : overpriced and is the maximum. : : The parure can be purchased however for : Fifty Golden Years. Despite the problems in : the marriage (Juliana & Bernhard had, : Albert & Paola had, etc.) there is a : milestone. Doña Sofía is not only the King's : wife, she is also Spain's Queen and a : Princess of Greece and Denmark. She deserves : it to get such a nice royal cadeau. : :

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Posted by JohnPete on May 14, 2012, 7:47 am, in reply to "Re: Torlonia Aquamarine tiara"
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It's a lovely piece, it would be a great addition to the collection of jewels to be worn by all Queens of Spain due to it's family connection, however altered it may be. But I have to say I agree with some of the other posters in this thread; a purchase such as this (even if the price tag has been exaggerated) sends a message which could be provocative in the current economic climate of Spain. Perhaps if it were purchased secretly and stored safely away, to be worn at some future date when things improve, it might be more appropriate. One would hate for this to become the Spanish version of l'affaire du collier except with a tiara.

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Posted by Henri M on May 14, 2012, 8:19 am, in reply to "Re: Torlonia Aquamarine tiara"
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It can also be disguised as 'bequeathed by the Torlonia family". (In private a financial arrangement has been made, eventually concerning the future inheritance from the King, in public it is portrayed as "a gift").

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Posted by Josefine on May 14, 2012, 9:00 am, in reply to "Re: Torlonia Aquamarine tiara"
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7 million euro is a lot but maybe there are more items in the lot --Previous Message-- : I don’t understand the Torlonia/Weiler are : rich . : : --Previous Message-- : I read today in "De Standaard" a : Flemish newspaper that the King already had : bought the aqumarine parure for 7 million : euros from the Torlonia family. : : : : http://orderofsplendor.blogspot.com/2012/05/tiara-thursday-queen-victoria-eugenias.html : : : : :