Posted by Kelly E on May 29, 2012, 3:41 am 91.125.193.127
QD page 40 featuring the Winterhalter picture of HMQV, Roberts lists some of the pieces worn in the portrait, (those featured in his masterwork!) however do I detect behind the Waterfall brooch the Fringe Necklace worn along the bodice edge or is that simply bullion fringing?
Thoughts please?
Re: QD Fringe Necklace - pic
Posted by Nellie on May 29, 2012, 3:49 am, in reply to "QD Fringe Necklace" 124.170.1.127
Just to be clear what's under discussion. I need to check my notes.
I don’t think that fringe edging in that Winterhalter has been clarified in Roberts, or that Roberts attempts to cover all the fringes in Queen Victoria’s collection at various times.
But under Queen Adelaide’s Fringe Necklace on page 28 it states, of Queen Victoria, -
“In her widowhood it appears that the Queen may have worn the jewel as a border to the neckline of her dress.” with note 5.
Note 5 on page 32 states “As in the Diamond Jubilee official portrait of Queen Victoria (page 42) - which is this one.
Re: QD chaîne & fringe brooch
Posted by Nellie on May 29, 2012, 4:39 am, in reply to "Re: QD Fringe Necklace " 124.170.1.127
From page 46 for Queen Victoria's Fringe Brooch, re the chaîne de corsage this appears to be that piece " 'with large Brilliant centre' ".
It seems to have been reduced later to the brooch with which we are familiar (as waterfall).
So it seems it is not Queen Adelaide's Fringe Necklace.
--Previous Message-- : : I don’t think that fringe edging in that : Winterhalter has been clarified in Roberts, : or that Roberts attempts to cover all the : fringes in Queen Victoria’s collection at : various times. : : But under Queen Adelaide’s Fringe Necklace : on page 28 it states, of Queen Victoria, - : : “In her widowhood it appears that the Queen : may have worn the jewel as a border to the : neckline of her dress.” with note 5. : : Note 5 on page 32 states “As in the Diamond : Jubilee official portrait of Queen Victoria : (page 42) - which is this one.
Roberts argues that this whole chaine-de-corsage, made in 1856 included the large diamond given to Queen Victoria by the Sultan of Turkey, in the centre of the chain. This is what can be seen here in this portrait.
The side elements of the chaine were removed and the diamonds used to create Queen Victoria's small diamond crown. With the fringes or "pampilles" attached to the central diamond remaining, thus forming what we know know as 'Queen Victoria's Fringe Brooch'.
See Roberts pages 46-49.
--Previous Message-- : : Just to be clear what's under discussion. I : need to check my notes. : : : : :
