Posted by Kris on 12/29/2008, 8:47 am, in reply to "Re: Interesting situation"
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Thanks Daniel! That is a well thought out reply that I very much appreciate. I'll tell you what really bothered me about the professional when I mentioned my issue... I was trying to think of how to explain it, and I came up with the gay person parallel. I explained that I could understand how difficult it must be those gay people to come "out of the closet" as the reasons in my mind are the same. Not gay here by the way! Just was trying to put some gravity to my issue for him. Well the professional literally laughed and said "well this obviously isn't the same type of thing we are talking about". That really bugged me. Now I am a very non-judgemental person... but when I think about it, it seems "strange" to me that a person being gay is more accepted than a person being a smoker. Now please noone take that the wrong way! I am not saying there is anything wrong with people's own choices... it just gets to me that some people's choices are more accepted than others. People believe that it is not a choice for people to be gay and generally congratulate them for being who they are, yet they believe it is a choice to smoke and put down people who have made that choice. Now that is a whole other subject. I honestly don't feel as though it is a "choice" for me. Grandparents, parents, parents friends, etc all smoked when I was young. I grew up in a house and car filled with smoke. It is my belief that there must have been something in my head or my genes that MADE me a smoker. Why else would I have always done this alone, had no friends (other than the two girlfriends) who smoked, and have continually felt so guilty about it. Hmm.
--Previous Message--
: Hello Kris,
:
: I can relate to your story in many ways.
: You just seem to have taken the closet
: aspect to a whole new level. I smoke only 3
: to 5 cigarettes per week, and easily go
: longer without. But I think your story
: isn't all that different from many other
: people.
:
: You seem to associate smoking with dumbness
: and/or rebellion. This is my very problem
: too. I can't think of a reason to come out
: now, at 34, without a solid excuse like
: these two things would provide. I believe
: for most of us here the problem lie with our
: association of these themes and the
: importance we give to our image. Strange
: thing though, I don't think I really
: associate other smokers to those themes. I
: am not qualified to make a deeper analysis,
: but there seems to be in you, like many
: people here, me included, a sense of
: self-image and the ideal projection. I'm
: not sure what causes this in the first
: place. Why do some people really don't care
: what others think ?
:
: I learned just last week that a friend of
: mine has been smoking cigars for 3 years or
: so. You could tell he really didn't think
: twice about what anybody would think. He
: just says he tried one on vacation and liked
: it, and has decided to smoke them
: occasionaly. Maybe that should inspire us
: somehow. I was not judging HIM at all, he's
: not dumb or rebelious. I was simply jealous
: of his ability to do that.
:
: Your situation is really difficult though.
: If that fear of the opinion of others drives
: you away from family and friends, that
: sounds like a dangerous social place to be
: stuck into. I am glad you have talked to
: somebody about it, but I don't understand
: why they shrugged it off. From the way you
: describe your situation here, it sounds like
: the key to many difficulties you have.
: Maybe it just goes to show just how much
: most people don't even think twice about
: these things.
:
: In my case, I know that if not for my
: parents, I'd be much more open about my
: smoking. They both used to be smokers but
: have become VERY anti over the years. I
: understand that fear of rejection from one's
: parents can go a LONG way into making one's
: life miserable. As you say, on trips, you
: become somebody else - probably yourself.
: Imagine if you could apply that to
: "real" life?
:
: Sorry for the long answer. I just see a lot
: going on here that I am afraid cannot be
: easily fixed. The only real advice I can
: give you is to find a different professional
: to talk to, and to insist on that specific
: problem. It may not be the cause of your
: whole situation, but it's at least a
: significant symptom of it.
:
: Best of luck.
: Daniel
:
: --Previous Message--
: Well this is the first I have written about
: this... that is how much in the closet I am.
: Reading the other posts, I'm not sure what
: is real and what isn't. Anyhow I'll tell
: you my real story. I started smoking when I
: was 11. I'm 39 now. All of it in the
: closet. At first it was after my parents
: went to bed and I would quietly open the
: door and smoke beside the house looking to
: avoid open windows. Then it was
: occasionally in my car with I incessently
: clean. Always always always managed to
: change the subject if smoking came up. Now
: I live in an apartment that noone, even
: family, has been to in 4 years. This is my
: sanctuary where I can "be myself"
: - or is it "be someone else" (not
: sure!)- where at least I can relax. Outside
: of home though I never smoke. Unless I am
: travelling which I like to do by myself as I
: can BE a SMOKER as I don't know anyone. SO
: WORRIED, and always have been, about what
: people think of me. I'm a pretty smart
: guy... definate "thinker" type...
: and people think I am a good worker etc.
: But I have no friends. Anyone that does
: smoke... well I don't what them to out me...
: and I do not want people who don't smoke to
: think less of me. Ironically though... when
: alone... I get some kind of weird charge. I
: feel self-confident that I am doing what
: "I" want to do. And that leads to
: a bit of a fetish thing. Had a couple
: girlfriends who smoked (actually I lied
: there didn't I... one girlfriend lived with
: me for a year) and they thought it was
: "cute" that I smoked in private.
: I loved being with those girls as they were
: more publicly "wild" than me and
: people did not bat an eyelash if they
: smoked. However, sometimes I would get
: upset that they did smoke in public as I
: "couldn't". So now, no
: girlfriend, no friends to speak of, afraid
: of family, and feeling like life is passing
: me by. I get so amazed when I see people
: smoking. To me it is Mt Everest. Sure I
: could come out the closet to someone... but
: then there is someone else... and others...
: and yet more people... all telling them that
: I am "stupid". I never went
: through a rebellious stage... and that is
: probably my downfall. It is easy to be 15
: and have friends that smoke, oops you get
: into it... and then tell people you smoke
: because you were young and dumb, but that
: was a long time ago and you are just
: addicted now. But what about when you are
: 39?? Much too old to be a new smoker given
: the knowledge of an adult... and also too
: old to admit you have been lying to everyone
: for all these years.
: Best answer is quit right? Well that freaks
: me out. I do not "feel" like a
: smoker (about 10 a day) and therefore can
: smoke without guilt as it isn't
: "me" that is smoking. I have
: mentioned this to two
: "professional" people and they
: both kind of shrugged it off even though I
: must have been beat red and shaking like a
: leaf when I told them. It bothers me that
: they do not understand the gravity of my
: situation. Hmm. Just reaching out to you
: guys and girls here to maybe get some insite
: with what is going on for me. Sorry this is
: so long.
:
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