Homo Floresiensis or Homo Hobbit with73G, 263G and 271 is Bigfoot.
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:
: It seems all human T2bs have have 16187C and
: 16189T, but no bigfoots have either. In
: fact, all human haplgroup T are postive for
: both these mutations, so presumably in the
: common ancestor of all Bigfoots there was a
: mutation reverting to CRS.
:
: According to the Ketchum knockers, all the
: mtDNA Haplotypes in her project are modern
: contamination. All of these Bigfoot
: haplotypes are different.
: Isn't it a bit puzzling that all of these
: humans mistaken as Bigfoot have different T2
: mtDNA haplotypes, all have 73G and 263G
: mutations not found in humans, and all seem
: to have had back mutations on 146T, 16187C
: and 16189T, where these back mutations are
: apparently not found in any human T2b s?
: This study showed that lineage expansions
: and population expansions in 3 continents
: began before Neolithic Time. In Africa, 11
: lineages (L0a1a, L1b1a3, L1b1a, L2a1a,
: L2a1c, L2a1, L3b1a, L3e1, L3e2a, L3e2b and
: L3d1–5) out of 15 star lineages shared by
: different populations were estimated to
: coalesce above 10 kya, and African samples
: also showed a 5-fold growth ~15−11
: kya, while agriculture in Africa emerged ~7
: kya. In Europe, all the autochthonous
: expansion lineages (H1, H3, U5a, U5a1, V)
: were older than 10 kya, and Europe witnessed
: a major population expansion from ~13 kya to
: nowadays, while the appearance of farming in
: Europe were after 10 kya. In Americas, the
: ages of 4 founding and expansion lineages
: (A2, B2, C1 and D1) were older than 13 kya.
: The American population also showed a
: demographic leap 12−8 kya. When the
: different regions entered the Neolithic Time
: in ~11−6 kya, agriculture offered the
: possibility of further population growth.
: Considering results in current and previous
: study, global mtDNA evidence showed that
: rising temperature after Last Glacial
: Maximum offered amiable environments and
: might be the most important factor for
: prehistorical human expansions.
: --Previous Message--
: 16024-576 Melba
: Ketchum
: The following was a unsolicited commentary
: by A. John Marsh on a geaneology DNA page
: which scientis use to discuss mtDna origin.
: This is not the complete discussion .
: However it sums up the analysis.
:
: T2 BIGFOOTS FOUND IN 5 DIFFERENT STATES:
:
: Along with the fact that all Bigfoots seem
: to have several different mtDNA mutations
: from each other, they also are found in 5
: different states. It suggests that if a
: single T2b human female mated with a Bigfoot
: male 13,000 years ago, that the descendants
: of the T2b ancestor have spread widely in
: USA since then.
:
: AGE OF T2b:
:
: Web site
: http://www.nature.co.../srep00745.html
:
: If T2b is 12-10kya, and T1/ T2 coalesced
: about 19kya, T2b might very roughly
: originate about 10,000 to 15,000 years ago.
:
: THINGS I NOTED ABOUT MUTATIONS DIFFERENT IN
: BIGFOOT AND HUMANS:
:
: One thing I noted was that all the 52 number
: diverse T2b haplogroup listed humans in the
: T2 project had a mutation 146T, but none of
: the Bigfoot had that mutation. It seems in
: fact that all T haplogroup have 146T. I am
: guessing that the earliest common ancestor
: of all Bigfoots had a back mutation on that
: marker to the CRS value.
:
: Another thing I noticed was that all
: Bigfoots which appear to have been tested on
: the lower number markers, have mutation 73G.
: Yet not one of the
: 52 human mtDNA T2b persons had the mutation
: 73G. Why not? Was 73G a very early mutation
: in the Bigfoot line?
:
: All the fully tested 4 Bigfoots had the 263G
: mutation, but not one single one of the 52
: humans had 263G. Why not?
:
: It seems all human T2bs have have 16187C and
: 16189T, but no bigfoots have either. In
: fact, all human haplgroup T are postive for
: both these mutations, so presumably in the
: common ancestor of all Bigfoots there was a
: mutation reverting to CRS.
:
: According to the Ketchum knockers, all the
: mtDNA Haplotypes in her project are modern
: contamination. All of these Bigfoot
: haplotypes are different.
: Isn't it a bit puzzling that all of these
: humans mistaken as Bigfoot have different T2
: mtDNA haplotypes, all have 73G and 263G
: mutations not found in humans, and all seem
: to have had back mutations on 146T, 16187C
: and 16189T, where these back mutations are
: apparently not found in any human T2b s?
: This study showed that lineage expansions
: and population expansions in 3 continents
: began before Neolithic Time. In Africa, 11
: lineages (L0a1a, L1b1a3, L1b1a, L2a1a,
: L2a1c, L2a1, L3b1a, L3e1, L3e2a, L3e2b and
: L3d1–5) out of 15 star lineages shared by
: different populations were estimated to
: coalesce above 10 kya, and African samples
: also showed a 5-fold growth
: ~15−11 kya, while agriculture in
: Africa emerged ~7 kya. In Europe, all the
: autochthonous expansion lineages (H1, H3,
: U5a, U5a1, V) were older than 10 kya, and
: Europe witnessed a major population
: expansion from ~13 kya to nowadays, while
: the appearance of farming in Europe were
: after 10 kya. In Americas, the ages of 4
: founding and expansion lineages (A2, B2, C1
: and D1) were older than 13 kya. The American
: population also showed a demographic leap
: 12−8 kya. When the different regions
: entered the Neolithic Time in
: ~11−6 kya, agriculture offered the
: possibility of further population growth.
: Considering results in current and previous
: study, global mtDNA evidence showed that
: rising temperature after Last Glacial
: Maximum offered amiable environments and
: might be the most important factor for
: prehistorical human expansions.
: Ethnic group Haplotype Haplogroup
: Arab IRQ047 B4b1 1 16136C 16183C 16189C
: 16193.1C 16217C 16519C 73G 263G 309.1C
: 315.1C 408A 499A
: Arab IRQ084 B4c1c 1 16183C 16189C 16193.1C
: 16217C 16519C 73G 150T 195C 263G 279C
: 309.1C 315.1C
: Assyrian IRQ150 H11 1 16311C 16519C 195C
: 263G 309.1C 315.1C
: Arab IRQ050 H14a 1 16209C 16256T 16352C
: 16362C 16519C 263G 309.1C 315.1C
: Arab IRQ014 H14a1 1 16256T 16352C 146C 263G
: 315.1C
: Arab IRQ021 H15 1 55.1T 57C 59C 263G 309.1C
: 315.1C
: Arab IRQ078 H29 1 16519C 93G 263G 309.1C
: 315.1C 523DEL 524DEL 573.1C 573.2C 573.3C
: 573.4C
: Arab IRQ043 H2a2b 1 16291T 16390A 16519C
: 199C 263G 309.1C 315.1C 573.1C
: Arab IRQ133 H2a3 1 16167T 16274A 16488T
: 16519C 152C 263G 309.1C 309.2C 315.1C
: Arab IRQ057 H5 1 16304C 73G 263G 3 09.1C
: 315.1C 456T 524.1A 524.2C 524.3A 524.4C
: Arab IRQ041 H5 1 16304C 263G 315.1C 456T
: 524.1A 524.2C
: Kurd IRQ042 H5 1 16051G 16255A 16304C 16319A
: 16327T 263G 315.1C 456T
: Arab IRQ143 H5 1 16271Y 16304C 263G 315.1C
: 373G 456T
: Arab IRQ111 H5 1 16051G 16304C 16319A 16327T
: 227G 263G 315.1C 456T 508G
: Arab IRQ074 H6b 1 16294T 16300G 16362C
: 16482G 44.1C 152C 204C 239C 263G 309.1C
: 309.2C 315.1C
: Arab IRQ077 H7c1 1 16265G 16298C 151T 152C
: 263G 309.1C 315.1C 524.1A 524.2C 573.1C
: 573.2C
: Arab IRQ064 HV1 1 16067T 16166G 152C 263G
: 309.1C 315.1C 498DEL
: Assyrian IRQ160 HV1 1 16067T 16215G 16234T
: 16327T 16335G 16519C 152C 263G 309.1C 315.1C
: Arab IRQ098 HV1 1 16067T 16519C 263G 315.1C
: 523DEL 524DEL
: Mandaean IRQ180 HV12a 1 16220C 16292T 16519C
: 146C 263G 309.1C 315.1C
: Mandaean IRQ185 HV12a 1 16220C 16292T 16519C
: 146C 263G 309.1C 315.1C
: Mandaean IRQ183 HV12a 1 16220C 16292T 16519C
: 146C 263G 309.1C 315.1C
: Mandaean IRQ182 HV12a 1 16220C 16292T 16519C
: 146C 263G 309.1C 315.1C
: Mandaean IRQ177 HV12a 1 16220C 16292T 16519C
: 146C 263G 309.1C 315.1C
: Mandaean IRQ190 HV12a 1 16220C 16292T 16519C
: 146C 263G 309.1C 315.1C
: Arab IRQ067 HV1a1 1 16067T 16284G 16355T
: 150T 152C 263G 309.1C 315.1C 524.1A 524.2C
: Arab IRQ128 HV1a1 1 16067T 16355T 150T 263G
: 315.1C
: Assyrian IRQ038 HV1b1 1 16067T 16274A 263G
: 309.1C 309.2C 315.1C
: Arab IRQ169 HV4a 1 16221T 16260T 16319A
: 263G 309.1C 309.2C 315.1C 524.1A 524.2C
: Arab IRQ045 I 1 16129A 16154C 16169T 16223T
: 16391A 16519C 73G 199C 204C 250C 263G
: 309.1C 315.1C 573.1C 573.2C 573.3C
: Arab IRQ049 I1 1 16129A 16223T 16294T 16311C
: 16391A 16519C 73G 199C 204C 250C 263G
: 315.1C 455.1T 573.1C 573.2C 573.3C 573.4C
: 573.5C
: Arab IRQ147 I1 1 16129A 16223T 16264T 16270T
: 16311C 16319A 16362C 16391A 16519C 73G
: 199C 204C 250C 263G 309.1C 315.1C 455.1T
: 573.1C 573.2C 573.3C
: Kurd IRQ070 J1b 1 16069T 16126C 16145A
: 16261T 16519C 73G 263G 295T 309.1C 315.1C
: 462T 489C 523DEL 524DEL
: Arab IRQ081 J1b 1 16069T 16086C 16126C
: 16145A 16222T 16261T 16390A 73G 150T 263G
: 266C 295T 309.1C 315.1C 462T 489C 573.1C
: Assyrian IRQ164 J1b 1 16069T 16093Y 16126C
: 16145A 16222T 16223T 16261T 16274A 73G 199C
: 263G 295T 315.1C 462T 489C
: Arab IRQ028 J1b 1 16069T 16126C 16145A
: 16222T 16261T 16290T 16526A 73G 153G 263G
: 295T 309.1C 315.1C 462T 489C
: Arab IRQ019 J1b 1 16069T 16126C 16145A
: 16222T 16248T 16261T 73G 263 G 295T 315.1C
: 462T 489C
: Kurd IRQ196 J1b 1 16069T 16126C 16145A
: 16261T 16519C 73G 263G 295T 309.1C 315.1C
: 462T 489C 523DEL 524DEL
: Arab IRQ094 J1b 1 16069T 16126C 16129A
: 16145A 16261T 16355T 73G 152C 263G 295T
: 309.1C 309.2C 315.1C 462T 489C
: Arab IRQ135 J1b 1 16069T 16126C 16145A
: 16222T 16261T 73G 263G 295T 309.1C 315.1C
: 462T 489C 498T
: Arab IRQ114 J1b 1 16069T 16126C 16145A
: 16222T 16261T 73G 263G 295T 315.1C 462T 489C
: Arab IRQ060 J1b1b1 1 16069T 16126C 16145A
: 16519C 73G 114G 146C 263G 271T 295T 315.1C
: 462T 489C 523DEL 524DEL
: Assyrian IRQ157 J1b3 1 16069T 16126C 16145A
: 16222T 16235G 16261T 16271C 16519C 73G 263G
: 295T 309.1C 315.1C 462T 489C
: Arab IRQ088 J1c 1 16069T 16075C 16126C
: 16290T 16527T 73G 146C 185A 228A 263G 295T
: 315.1C 462T 489C
: Kurd IRQ107 J1c 1 16069T 16126C 16148T 73G
: 185A 228A 263G 295T 315.1C 462T 489C 523DEL
: 524DEL
: Arab IRQ017 J1d 1 16069T 16126C 16193T
: 16212G 16368C 16519C 55.1T 57C 59C 71DEL 73G
: 152C 182T 263G 295T 309.1C 315.1C 462T 489C
: Mandaean IRQ175 J1d 1 16069T 16126C 16193T
: 16519C 73G 152C 263G 295T 315.1C 462T 489C
: Arab IRQ012 J1d1 1 16069T 16126C 16193T
: 16300G 16309G 73G 152C 263G 295T 315.1C 462T
: 489C
: Arab IRQ096 J1d1 1 16069T 16126C 16129A
: 16193T 16300G 16354T 16519C 73G 152C 263G
: 295T 309.1C 315.1C 462T 489C
: Arab IRQ031 J1d2 1 16069T 16126C 16186T
: 16193T 16519C 73G 152C 263G 295T 309.1C
: 309.2C 315.1C 462T 489C
: Arab IRQ100 J2a2 1 16069T 16126C 16299G
: 16519C 73G 150T 189R 195C 207A 263G 295T
: 309.1C 315.1C 489C
: Arab IRQ093 J2a2a 1 16069T 16126C 16264T
: 16311C 73G 150T 152C 195C 235G 263G 295T
: 309.1C 315.1C 489C
: Arab IRQ119 J2a2a 1 16051G 16069T 16126C
: 16188T 16311C 73G 150T 152C 195C 235G 263G
: 295T 315.1C 489C
: Arab IRQ040 K 1 16189C 16224C 16311C 16519C
: 73G 146C 263G 315.1C
: Arab IRQ058 K1a 1 16224C 16311C 16519C 73G
: 263G 315.1C 485C 497T
: Arab IRQ051 K1a 1 16224C 16311C 16519C 73G
: 263G 315.1C 497T 575T
: Arab IRQ071 K1a 1 16189C 16190T 16193.1C
: 16224C 16265C 16286T 16311C 16519C 73G 195C
: 263G 315.1C 497T 544T
: Mandaean IRQ173 K1a 1 16183C 16189C 16193.1C
: 16224C 16311C 16519C 73G 152C 263G 309.1C
: 315.1C 497T
: Assyrian IRQ151 K1a 1 16093C 16224C 16278T
: 16311C 16519C 73G 263G 315.1C 497T
: Arab IRQ082 K1a 1 16172C 16224C 16231C
: 16263C 16311C 16519C 73G 152C 199C 263G 286G
: 315.1C 497T 524.1A 524.2C 524.3A 524.4C
: Arab IRQ110 K1a8 1 16224C 16311C 16362C
: 16519C 73G 263G 295A 309.1C 315.1C 497T
: Arab IRQ115 L0a2a2 1 16148T 16172C 16187T
: 16188G 16189C 16223T 16230G 16311C 16320T
: 16519C 64T 93G 152C 189G 204C 207A 236C 247A
: 263G 315.1C 523DEL 524DEL
: Arab IRQ136 L0a2c 1 16148T 16172C 16187T
: 16188A 16189C 16214T 16223T 16230G 16234T
: 16311C 16519C 64T 93G 95C 152C 189G 236C
: 247A 263G 309.1C 315.1C 523DEL 524DEL
: Arab IRQ010 L1c2b2 1 16093C 16129A 16187T
: 16189C 16223T 16265C 16278T 16286G 16294T
: 16311C 16320T 16360T 16519C 16527T 73G 151T
: 152C 182T 186A 189C 195C 198T 247A 263G 297G
: 315.1C 316A 523DEL 524DEL
: Arab IRQ148 L1c3 1 16129A 16183C 16189C
: 16193.1C 16215G 16223T 16278T 16294T 16311C
: 16355T 16360T 16390A 16519C 73G 151T 152C
: 182T 183G 186A 189C 247A 263G 309.1C 309.2C
: 315.1C 316A 523DEL 524DEL
: Arab IRQ052 L2a1 1 16189C 16223T 16278T
: 16294T 16309G 16390A 73G 143A 146C 152C 195C
: 263G 309.1C 315.1C
: Arab IRQ171 L2a1 1 16131C 16189C 16223T
: 16225T 16234T 16278T 16294T 16309G 16390A
: 73G 146C 152C 263G 309.1C 315.1C
: Arab IRQ059 L2a1a3 1 16093C 16150T 16189C
: 16193.1C 16193.2C 16223T 16278T 16294T
: 16309G 16390A 73G 143A 146C 152C 195C 263G
: 309.1C 315.1C
: Arab IRQ046 L2a1c5 1 16129A 16223T 16278T
: 16294T 16309G 16390A 16519C 73G 143A 146C
: 152C 195C 207A 263G 315.1C
: Arab IRQ118 L2a1c5 1 16129A 16223T 16278T
: 16294T 16309G 16390A 16519C 73G 143A 146C
: 152C 195C 207A 263G 315.1C
: Arab IRQ170 L3b 1 16093C 16124C 16223T
: 16278T 16362C 16519C 73G 200G 263G 309.1C
: 315.1C 523DEL 524DEL
: Arab IRQ130 L3b 1 16180G 16223T 16278T
: 16362C 16519C 73G 263G 315.1C 523DEL 524DEL
: Arab IRQ075 L3e5 1 16037G 16041G 16223T 73G
: 150T 263G 315.1C 398C 523DEL 524DEL
: Kurd IRQ138 L3e5 1 16037G 16041G 16223T 73G
: 150T 263G 315.1C 398C 523DEL 524DEL
: Arab IRQ032 L3f1b 1 16209C 16223T 16292T
: 16311C 16519C 73G 146C 185A 189G 263G 309.1C
: 315.1C
: Arab IRQ104 L3f1b 1 16209C 16223T 16278T
: 16292T 16311C 16519C 73G 189G 200G 263G 279Y
: 315.1C
: Arab IRQ125 L3f1b 1 16209C 16223T 16292T
: 16311C 16519C 73G 150T 200G 263G 309.1C
: 315.1C
: Arab IRQ117 L3f1b1 1 16129A 16209C 16223T
: 16292T 16295T 16311C 16355T 16519C 73G 189G
: 200G 263G 309.1C 315.1C
: Arab IRQ200 L3i2 1 16223T 16260T 16311C
: 16519C 73G 150T 152C 189G 263G 315.1C 504C
: 523DEL 524DEL
: Assyrian IRQ163 M1 1 16129A 16182C 16183C
: 16189C 16223T 16249C 16311C 16519C 73G 195C
: 235G 263G 309.1C 315.1C 489C
: Kurd IRQ194 M1a1 1 16129A 16182C 16183C
: 16189C 16223T 16249C 16311C 16359C 16360T
: 16519C 73G 195C 263G 309.1C 309.2C 315.1C
: 489C
: Assyrian IRQ020 N1b1 1 16145A 16176G 16223T
: 16390R 16519C 73G 152C 263G 315.1C
: Arab IRQ149 N1b1 1 16093C 16145A 16176G
: 16223T 16390A 16519C 73G 152C 263G 315.1C
: Arab IRQ089 N1b1 1 16145A 16176G 16223T
: 16243C 16390A 16519C 73G 263G 315.1C
: Arab IRQ112 N1b1 1 16145A 16176G 16223T
: 16390A 73G 214G 263G 309.1C 315.1C
: Arab IRQ109 N9b1b 1 16129A 16189C 16319A
: 16390A 16519C 73G 150T 197G 263G 315.1C
: Arab IRQ083 R* 1 16129A 16153A 16192Y 73G
: 150T 263G 309.1C 315.1C
: Arab IRQ007 R* 1 16311C 73G 150T 207A 263G
: 309.1C 315.1C
: Arab IRQ024 R* 1 73G 150T 185A 195C 263G
: 315.1C 523DEL 524DEL
: Arab IRQ056 R0 1 16248T 16311C 263G 309.1C
: 315.1C 480C
: Arab IRQ055 R0 1 16214T 16311C 16519C 143A
: 263G 309.1C 315.1C 523DEL 524DEL
: Assyrian IRQ061 R0 1 16051G 16172C 16519C
: 146C 263G 309.1C 315.1C
: Arab IRQ062 R0 1 16519C 73R 263G 315.1C
: Arab IRQ079 R0 1 16093C 263G 315.1C
: Arab IRQ063 R0 1 16188T 16519C 263G 309.1C
: 315.1C
: Assyrian IRQ153 R0 1 16093C 16519C 263G
: 315.1C
: Assyrian IRQ161 R0 1 16183C 16189C 16193.1C
: 16316G 16362C 16519C 263G 309.1C 315.1C
: Assyrian IRQ159 R0 1 16519C 263G 309.1C
: 315.1C
: Assyrian IRQ156 R0 1 16129A 16189Y 16287T
: 16311C 204C 263G 309.1C 315.1C
: Arab IRQ053 R0 1 16519C 152Y 200G 228A 263G
: 309.1C 315.1C
: Assyrian IRQ039 R0 1 16209C 263G 315.1C
: Arab IRQ030 R0 1 16086C 16192A 16362C 150T
: 263G 309.1C 315.1C
: Kurd IRQ199 R0 1 16519C 16524C 263G 315.1C
: Kurd IRQ195 R0 1 16368C 16519C 263G 309.1C
: 315.1C
: Arab IRQ099 R0 1 16320Y 16519C 263G 315.1C
: Arab IRQ025 R0 1 16311C 146C 263G 309.1C
: 315.1C 480C
: Arab IRQ022 R0 1 16311C 152C 263G 315.1C
: Arab IRQ015 R0 1 16519C 195C 263G 280T
: 315.1C
: Arab IRQ013 R0 1 16317G 263G 270G 309.1C
: 315.1C 524.1A 524.2C 524.3A 524.4C
: Arab IRQ139 R0 1 16319A 16368C 42.1T 259G
: 263G 315.1C
: Assyrian IRQ162 R0 1 16183C 16189C 16193.1C
: 16316G 16519C 263G 309.1C 315.1C
: Arab IRQ142 R0 1 16311C 16391A 263G 315.1C
: Arab IRQ141 R0 1 16189C 16316G 16355T 16519C
: 263G 309.1C 315.1C
: Assyrian IRQ091 R0 1 16187T 146C 189G 263G
: 315.1C
: Arab IRQ123 R0 1 263G 315.1C 524.1A 524.2C
: 524.3A 524.4C
: Assyrian IRQ121 R0 1 16263C 114T 150T 227T
: 263G 315.1C 573.1C
: Arab IRQ116 R0 1 16519C 263G 309.1C 309.2C
: 315.1C 523DEL 524DEL
: Arab IRQ106 R0a 1 16126C 16145A 16183C
: 16189C 16193.1C 16232A 16362C 64T 263G
: 309.1C 309.2C 309.3C 315.1C 570T
: Arab IRQ009 R0a1a 1 16126C 16185T 16355T
: 16362C 16519C 58C 64T 146C 153G 211G 235G
: 263G 315.1C
: Arab IRQ166 R0a2c 1 16126C 16150T 16304C
: 16362C 58C 60.1T 64T 263G 315.1C
: Arab IRQ172 R0a2c 1 16126C 16304C 16362C 58C
: 60.1T 64T 263G 309.1C 315.1C
: Arab IRQ044 R0a2d 1 16126C 16224C 16362C 58C
: 60.1T 64T 152C 263G 309.1C 309.2C 315.1C
: Arab IRQ069 R0a2i 1 16092C 16519C 58C 60.1T
: 64T 263G 293C 309.1C 315.1C 573.1C
: Arab IRQ065 R0a2i 1 16092C 16126C 16362C
: 60.1T 64T 263G 315.1C
: Arab IRQ048 R5a2 1 16266T 16294T 16297C
: 16304C 16311C 16355T 16356C 16519C 16524C
: 73G 152C 263G 315.1C 321C 523DEL 524DEL
: Arab IRQ102 T 1 16126C 16286T 16294T 16362C
: 16519C 73G 263G 309.1C 315.1C
: Arab IRQ016 T1 1 16093C 16126C 16163G 16189C
: 16294T 16356C 73G 152C 263G 315.1C
: Kurd IRQ129 T1a 1 16126C 16163G 16186T
: 16189C 16274A 16294T 16519C 73G 263G 309.1C
: 315.1C 512G
: Arab IRQ168 T1a 1 16126C 16163G 16186T
: 16189C 16294T 16519C 73G 146C 152C 195C 263G
: 309.1C 315.1C
: Mandaean IRQ191 T1a 1 16126C 16163G 16186T
: 16189C 16243C 16294T 16519C 73G 152C 195C
: 263G 309.1C 315.1C
: Mandaean IRQ187 T1a 1 16126C 16163G 16186T
: 16189C 16243C 16294T 16519C 73G 152C 195C
: 263G 309.1C 309.2C 315.1C
: Mandaean IRQ186 T1a 1 16126C 16163G 16186T
: 16189C 16243C 16294T 16519C 73G 152C 195C
: 263G 309.1C 315.1C
: Mandaean IRQ181 T1a 1 16126C 16163G 16186T
: 16189C 16243C 16294T 16519C 73G 152C 195C
: 263G 309.1C 315.1C
: Arab IRQ097 T1a 1 16126C 16163G 16186T
: 16189C 16294T 16519C 73G 152C 204C 249DEL
: 263G 315.1C
: Arab IRQ108 T1a 1 16126C 16163G 16186T
: 16189C 16248T 16266T 16271C 16294T 16311C
: 16519C 73G 152C 263G 309.1C 315.1C
: Kurd IRQ198 T1b 1 16126C 16163G 16189C
: 16243C 16247G 16294T 16519C 73G 152C 263G
: 309.1C 315.1C 524.1A 524.2C
: Arab IRQ068 T2 1 16126C 16294T 16296T 16519C
: 73G 263G 315.1C
: Arab IRQ076 T2 1 16126C 16294T 16296T 16399G
: 16519C 73G 195C 246C 263G 309.1C 315.1C
: Arab IRQ018 T2 1 16126C 16213A 16294T 16296T
: 16519C 73G 263G 315.1C
: Arab IRQ145 T2a1b 1 16126C 16294T 16324C
: 16519C 73G 263G 315.1C
: Arab IRQ085 T2a1b 1 16126C 16294T 16324C
: 16519C 73G 263G 315.1C
: Arab IRQ113 T2b 1 16093C 16126C 16294T
: 16296T 16304C 16519C 73G 151T 189R 263G
: 315.1C 520T
: Assyrian IRQ158 T2c 1 16051G 16126C 16292T
: 16294T 16296T 16519C 73G 263G 315.1C
: Mandaean IRQ188 T2c 1 16126C 16292T 16294T
: 16296T 16354T 16519C 73G 263G 315.1C
: Mandaean IRQ189 T2c 1 16126C 16292T 16294T
: 16296T 16354T 16519C 73G 263G 315.1C
: Mandaean IRQ176 T2c 1 16126C 16146G 16192T
: 16292T 16294T 16296T 16519C 73G 216C 263G
: 309.1C 315.1C
: Arab IRQ086 T2e 1 16126C 16153A 16233C
: 16257T 16294T 16325C 16390R 16399G 16519C
: 73G 146C 150T 195C 263G 309.1C 315.1C
: Arab IRQ066 U1a1 1 16129A 16169T 16182C
: 16183C 16189C 16249C 16274A 16519C 73G 263G
: 285T 309.1C 309.2C 315.1C 385G 523DEL 524DEL
: 573.1C 573.2C 573.3C 573.4C 573.5C
: Mandaean IRQ174 U1a1 1 16183C 16188T 16189C
: 16193.1C 73G 195C 263G 285T 309.1C 315.1C
: 385G 523DEL 524DEL
: Arab IRQ101 U1a1 1 16129A 16183C 16189C
: 16193.1C 16249C 16288C 16362C 73G 152C 195C
: 263G 285T 309.1C 315.1C 385G 523DEL 524DEL
: 573.1C 573.2C
: Arab IRQ087 U1a1 1 16183C 16189C 16193.1C
: 16215G 16249C 73G 263G 285T 309.1C 309.2C
: 315.1C 385G
: Kurd IRQ197 U1b 1 16111T 16214A 16249C
: 16319A 16327T 16519C 73G 146C 152C 263G 285T
: 315.1C 572T
: Arab IRQ103 U1c 1 16129A 16182C 16183C
: 16189C 16193.1C 16249C 16355T 73G 152C 204C
: 263G 285T 309.1C 309.2C 315.1C 455.1T
: Arab IRQ027 U2d 1 16051G 16184T 16234T
: 16294T 16342C 16519C 73G 152C 199C 315.1C
: 471C
: Assyrian IRQ152 U2e1 1 16051G 16129C 16183C
: 16189C 16193.1C 16235G 16256T 16362C 73G
: 152C 217C 263G 309.1C 309.2C 315.1C 340T
: 508G 524.1A 524.2C
: Arab IRQ036 U3 1 16343G 73G 150T 195C 263G
: 315.1C
: Arab IRQ054 U3 1 16086C 16343G 73G 150T 152C
: 263G 309.1C 315.1C
: Arab IRQ023 U3 1 16203G 16343G 73G 150T 263G
: 309.1C 315.1C 334C 523DEL 524DEL
: Assyrian IRQ155 U3 1 16168T 16343G 16355T
: 73G 150T 263G 309.1C 315.1C 343.1A 343.2T
: 343.3C 523DEL 524DEL
: Kurd IRQ192 U3 1 16193T 16249C 16343G 16526A
: 73G 150T 263G 315.1C
: Arab IRQ134 U3 1 16343G 73G 150T 263G 309.1C
: 315.1C
: Arab IRQ095 U3a 1 16129A 16343G 16390A
: 16519C 73G 150T 263G 315.1C
: Arab IRQ008 U4 1 16287T 16356C 16519C 73G
: 195C 263G 309.1C 315.1C 499A 524.1A 524.2C
: Arab IRQ029 U4 1 16086C 16356C 16519C 73G
: 195C 263G 309.1C 315.1C 499A 524.1A 524.2C
: Kurd IRQ193 U4 1 16356C 16519C 73G 195C 263G
: 309.1C 315.1C 499A 524.1A 524.2C
: Arab IRQ037 U4a2 1 16356C 16362C 16519C 73G
: 195C 263G 310C 499A 524.1A 524.2C
: Assyrian IRQ154 U4a2 1 16311C 16356C 16519C
: 73G 228A 263G 310C 499A 524.1A 524.2C
: Arab IRQ072 U5a1 1 16192T 16256T 16270T
: 16399G 73G 263G 309.1C 315.1C 523DEL 524DEL
: Arab IRQ092 U5a1 1 16256T 16270T 16295T
: 16399G 16519C 64T 73G 146C 263G 309.1C
: 315.1C
: Arab IRQ146 U6a4 1 16134T 16172C 16219G
: 16278T 16519C 73G 150T 199C 263G 309.1C
: 315.1C 373G
: Arab IRQ035 U7 1 16309G 16318T 16519C 73G
: 151T 152C 263G 309.1C 315.1C
: Arab IRQ073 U7 1 16167T 16256T 16318T 16368C
: 16519C 73G 151T 152C 263G 315.1C 523DEL
: 524DEL
: Kurd IRQ034 U7 1 16309G 16318T 16519C 73G
: 151T 152C 263G 309.1C 315.1C 523DEL 524DEL
: Arab IRQ144 U7 1 16069T 16227G 16318T 16359C
: 16519C 73G 151T 152C 263G 309.1C 315.1C
: 523DEL 524DEL
: Arab IRQ105 U7 1 16126C 16148T 16213A 16309G
: 16318C 16519C 73G 146C 151T 152C 195C 263G
: 292.1A 294.1T 315.1C 523DEL 524DEL
: Arab IRQ080 U9a 1 16051G 16129A 16259T
: 16278T 16291T 73G 263G 309.1C 309.2C 315.1C
: 499A
: Arab IRQ132 U9a 1 16051G 16278T 73G 263G
: 315.1C 499A
: Kurd IRQ033 W 1 16153A 16223T 16292T 16294T
: 16519C 73G 152C 189G 194T 195C 199C 204C
: 207A 263G 309.1C 315.1C
: Arab IRQ131 W 1 16223T 16519C 73G 146C 152C
: 189G 194T 200G 204C 207A 226C 263G 309.1C
: 315.1C
: Arab IRQ140 X2 1 16189C 16223T 16265G 16278T
: 16519C 73G 153G 195C 263G 309.1C 315.1C
: Assyrian IRQ137 X2 1 16169T 16189C 16223T
: 16278T 16519C 73G 153G 195C 263G 309.1C
: 315.1C
: Mandaean IRQ178 X2d 1 16093Y 16182C 16183C
: 16189C 16209C 16223T 16278T 16320T 16362C
: 16519C 73G 195C 263G 309.1C 315.1C
:
: L3e2b
: 16172C 16183C 16189C 16223T 16320T 16519C
: 73G 150T 195C 263G 309.1C 315.1C
:
: 73G 150T 195C 263G 309.1C 315.1C
: U5b
: 16147T 16189C 16193.1C 16270T 16519C
: 73G 150T 263G 309.1C 315.1C
: 73G 150T 263G 309.1C 315.1C
: J1c16
: 16069T 16126C 16218T
: 73G 152C 182T 185A
: 228A 263G 295T 309.1C 315.1C 462T 489C
: 73G 152C 182T 185A 228A 263G 295T 309.1C
: 315.1C 462T 489C
: 73 150 195 263 315.1 16223 16320 16519. or
: 16519, 16320, 16223, 315.1, 263, 195, 150,
: 73
:
:
: Germany
: Oberkassel [998]
:
: 12,000 BC
:
:
: U5b1
: 16192!
:
:
: ypsy descend from the Pharaoh Cat people or
: Jewish Gurna in Reply with quote
: Gypsy descend from the Pharaoh Cat people or
: Jewish Gurna in Thebes
:
: alyarchuk proposes a Romani linkage to J1
: distribution from the Indo-Pakistani region
: via Romany migration to Europe, also
: previous research into J1 distribution among
: ethnicities of India and Pakistan.
:
:
: "Mitochondrial DNA Variability in
: Slovaks, with Application to the Roma
: Origin"
:
:
:
: "Previously, we have found that the
: Polish Roma population is characterized by
: high incidence (18.8%) of haplogroup J1*
: lineage, defined by HVS I motif
: 16069–16126-16145–16222-16235–16261-16271
: (Malyarchuk et al. 2006a). This and a
: similar haplotype, lacking only the 16271
: transition, are very rare in European Roma
: populations, being found only in the
: Spanish, Bulgarian and Hungarian Roma
: (Gresham et al. 2001; Egyed et al. 2007).
:
: Among Europeans, such haplotypes have been
: revealed only in French (0.5%; Dubut et al.
: 2004), Hungarian (0.5%; Egyed et al. 2007)
: and Czech (about 3%; Vanecek et al. 2004;
: Malyarchuk et al. 2006b) populations.
:
: In the present study, we have found that
: 2.9% of individuals from eastern Slovakia
: are characterized by exactly the same
: J1*-haplotype. Taking into account its
: similarity with J1-haplotypes revealed in
: Southwestern Pakistani populations
: (Quintana-Murci et al. 2004) and thus
: assuming that this haplotype might have been
: characteristic of the ancestral Romani
: population (Malyarchuk et al. 2006a), we
: completely sequenced two J1*-samples
: revealed in Slovakia (Fig. 2). Comparison
: with published data (pooled in MitoMap mtDNA
: tree (Ruiz-Pesini et al. 2007)) demonstrated
: that these J1*-haplotypes belong to a new
: subhaplogroup J1a defined by transition at
: 8460.
:
: This subhaplogroup appears to be a sister
: clade to subhaplogroup J1b. Therefore, the
: J1a contribution to the Roma, and through
: them to some European gene pools, can be
: caused by gene flow from Indo-Pakistani
: region.
:
: One of the haplogroup J Slovak sample
: (Slv174; 16069–16126–16261–73–263–295) was
: characterized by uncertain HVS II motif, due
: to the lack of any subhaplogroup-diagnostic
: mutation according to classification
: developed in Palanichamy et al. (2004) and
: Carelli et al. (2006). To determine its
: phylogenetic status, we completely sequenced
: this sample and found that it belongs to
: subhaplogroup J1c being accompanied by
: transition at 14798, despite the lack of
: diagnostic mutation at position 228. It is
: unclear however, whether this sample should
: occupy the ancestral node for J1c-phylogeny
: or it is the result of back-mutation at
: position 228 (Fig. 2)."
:
: The Quintana-Murci article regarding J1
: being found in Baloch and other Pakistani
: population is here:
:
:
:
:
: Then there is the work of Dr. Doron Behar,
: who is on the Board of FTDNA and in speaking
: of Iranians, refers to "The Iraqi
: Jewish mtDNAswithin Hg J1 had the hallmark
: of control region haplotype
: 16069-16126-16145-16222-16261- 73-263-295
:
: mtDNA haplotypes in Slovak populations
: include Roma gypsies
:
: 69 126 145 222 235 261 271 73 263 295 309iC
: J1a E(2)
: 69 126 145 222 235 261 271 73 263 295 309iC
: 315iC J1a E(1)
: 69 126 145 222 235 261 271 290 73 263 295
: 309iC 315iC J1a E(1)
: 69 126 145 172 222 261 73 242 263 295 309iC
: 315iC J1b1 W(1)
: 69
: Theses are mtDNA from Kalderash Siaewi
:
: 73 263 295 309i
:
:
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: LOCATION 73 150 195 263 315.1 16223 16320
: 16519
: REFERENCE A C T A : C C T
: Major Frank Warren G T C G C T T C
: haplogroup K2-M70, which I believe to be
: closely related to haplogroup L-M11
: Dienekes Pontikos wrote:
: > > Haplogroup L-M11 is frequent in
: parts of the
: > Caucasus, and it was
: > > found at a frequency of around 5%
: in Calabria, as
: > well as in Greece,
: > > Turkey, Georgia, Hungary, etc.
: >
: > Actually, L-M11 is the prominent
: Haplogroup of
: > Indo-Iranians. In days of
: > Darius I, the Medo-Persians (in other
: words
: > Indo-Iranians) established
: > intensive administratve presence in
: many parts of
: > Greek World.
: >
: > Dienekes Pontikos wrote:
: > > Presumably L could have arrived to
: Southern Italy
: > by either Neolithic
: > > farmers, or the Greeks.
: >
: > There is no need to stipulate the
: "Neolitic" sources
: > for the expansions
: > which are well documented in the
: recorded history of
: > relatively recent
: > times. In the case of L-M11, it is the
: Persian
: > Conquest of Eastern
: > Mediterranean.
: >
: > Likewise, K2-M70 is distributed across
: the areas
: > related to Greek
: > civilization.
: > Actually, L-M11 is the prominent
: Haplogroup of Indo-Iranians. In days of
: > Darius I, the Medo-Persians (in other
: words Indo-Iranians) established
: > intensive administratve presence in
: many parts of Greek World.
:
:
: tatistical Analysis
:
: The DNA sequences were aligned using Clustal
: X ver. 1.81. (Thompson et al. 1997). The
: MEGA program (Kumar et al. 1994) was
: employed to identify each haplotype using
: the complete deletion option, with no
: assumption of traditional haplotypes
: definition. In this way 278 nucleotidic
: positions were conserved (for each of the
: 322 individuals studied for the analysis of
: Gurna vs. other Nile valley populations) and
: 281 nucleotide positions were conserved (for
: each of the 890 individuals studied for the
: analysis of Gurna vs. Near East
: populations). The genetic structure of the
: population was analyzed using AMOVA (24) and
: F or φ statistics (Excoffier et al.
: 1992; Weir & Cokerham, 1984) of various
: populations using the Arlequin 2.0 program
: (Schneider et al. 2000). We estimated the
: genetic variation attributable to
: differences among localities using
: pre-specified hierarchical groups
: (φsc), among localities across the
: entire study area (φst), and among
: pre-specified hierarchical groups
: (φct).
:
: An exact test of population differentiation
: was performed using a Markov chain with 1000
: iterations. The Kimura 2P distance option
: was selected.
:
: The pairwise Fst can be used to describe the
: short-term genetic distance between
: populations, with the application of a
: slight transformation to linearize the
: distance with population divergence time
: (Reynolds et al. 1983). A phenogram based on
: 12 populations using Fst values (on a matrix
: of coancestry coefficients (Reynolds et al.
: 1983)) and the Neighbor-Joining (NJ) (Saitou
: & Nei, 1987) clustering algorithm was
: calculated. A control population (South
: African Bantu speaking population, Soodyall
: et al. 1996) was used as an outgroup.
:
: A network was drawn using the TCS 1.13
: package. This is a method that connects
: existing haplotypes in a minimum spanning
: tree, which is essentially a parsimony
: method. This method starts calculating the
: overall limits of parsimony for the complete
: data set using a statistic from neutral
: coalescent theory (Hudson, 1989). The
: phylogenetical reconstruction algorithm was
: described in (Templeton et al. 1992).
: Results
: Sequence Data of Gurna Population
:
: Both hypervariable segments (HV1 and HV2) of
: the control region were sequenced. Sequence
: polymorphisms and results of RFLP analysis
: are reported in Table 1 for the 34
: individuals from Gurna. Sequence
: polymorphisms of the HV1 Region for the 24
: individuals from Upper Egypt are reported in
: Table 2.
: Table 1. Sequence polymorphisms of the
: Control Region, RFLP analysis and
: Haplogroups of Gurna Subject ID# HVS-I
: variation(a) HVS-II variation(a) Diagnostic
: RFLP markers Haplogroup
: GUR23 16140, 16218 − −7025 AluI
: H
: GUR27 − − −7025 AluI H
: GUR31 16209C, 16210, 16224 152C/T
: −7025 AluI H
: GUR44 − 146 −7025 AluI H
: GUR48 16148, 16256, 16304, 16390 −
: −7025 AluI H
: GUR34 16093, 16129, 16223, 16391 73, 152C/T,
: 199, 204 +10032 AluI I
: GUR39 16129, 16223, 16391 73, 199, 204
: +10032 AluI I
: GUR22 16069, 16126, 16193, 16300, 73, 152
: −13704 Bst0I J
: 16309
: GUR26 16066T, 16069, 16093, 73, 150, 152,
: 185 −13704 Bst0I J
: 16126, 16193
: GUR2, 16129, 16148, 16168, 16172, 64, 93,
: 152, 185, +3592 HpaI, +11641 L1a
: GUR15, 16187, 16188G, 16189, 16223, 189, 200
: HaeIII
: GUR63 16230, 16311, 16320
: GUR8 16129, 16148, 16168, 16172, 64, 93,
: 185, 189, +3592 HpaI, +11641 L1a
: 16187, 16188G, 16189, 200 HaeIII
: 16223, 16230, 16294G,
: 16311, 16320
: GUR18 16129, 16148, 16166, 16187, 73, 182,
: 195 +3592 HpaI, +10806 L1e
: 16189, 16223, 16278, 16290, HinfI, +12810
: RsaI
: 16360, 16390
: GUR32 16129, 16148, 16166, 73, 182, 195
: +3592 HpaI, +10806 L1e
: 16187,16189, 16223, 16278, HinfI, +12810
: RsaI
: 16290, 16311, 16360, 16390
: GUR33 16183C, 16189, 16278, 73, 146, 152,
: 195 +3592 HpaI, +13803 L2a
: 16294,16390 HaeIII
: GUR19 16223, 16311, 16362 73, 150
: −2349 MboI, +8616 L3*
: MboI, −10084 TaqI, −10394
: DdeI, −10871 MnlI
: GUR21 16104, 16181C, 16182C, 73, 146, 153
: +10871 MnlI, −11718 HaeIII(b), L3*
: 16183C, 16189, 16311 −12308 HinfI(c)
: GUR37 16126, 16214, 16231, 16311 73, 150,
: 195 +10394 DdeI, +10871 MnlI, L3*
: −11718 HaeIII(b), −12308
: HinfI(c)
: GUR46 16169, 16193, 16195, 16266, 73, 150,
: 152 +10394 DdeI L3*
: 16301
: GUR7 16093, 16120T, 16129, 73, 195 +10397
: AluI M1
: 16183C, 16189, 16223,
: 16311, 16359
: GUR14 16129, 16189, 16223, 16249, 73, 146,
: 195 +10397 AluI M1
: 16261, 16311, 16359
: GUR20 16129, 16183C, 16189, 73, 195 +10397
: AluI M1
: 16223, 16311, 16359
: GUR12 16129, 16183C, 16189, ND (d) +10397
: AluI M1
: 16223, 16249, 16311
: GUR29 16189, 16223, 16292, 73, 195 +10397
: AluI M1
: 16293C, 16311, 16359
: GUR35 16085G, 16129, 16183C, 73, 195, 210C
: +10397 AluI M1
: 16189, 16223, 16249, 16311
: GUR17, 16145, 16176G, 16223, 73, 152 +10237
: HphI, +10871 N1b
: GUR40 16390 MnlI
: GUR28 16126, 16145, 16176G, 73, 152, 195
: +10237 HphI, +10871 N1b
: 16223, 16390 MnlI
: GUR3 16126, 16294, 16296, 16324 73, 195
: +13366 BamHI T
: GUR57 16126, 16146, 16172, 16239, 73, 146,
: 195 +13366 BamHI, +4216 NlaIII T3
: Subject ID# HVS-I variation(a) HVS-II
: variation(a) Diagnostic RFLP markers
: Haplogroup
:
: (a)Relative to the CRS (Anderson et al.
: 1981). Mutations are transitions unless the
: base change or an indel is specified
: explicitly. Nucleotide positions followed by
: C/T indicate heteroplasmy.
:
: (b)Using the mismatched primer described in
: Richards et al. 2000.
:
: (c)Using the mismatched primer described in
: Torroni et al. 1996.
:
: (d)ND: Not determined.
:
:
:
:
: The Gurna were Jews form Goshen or Thebes
: and they came to Egypt in the 18th Dynasty
: introduce eygpt to the Underworld and Osiris
: and Sekmet and Bestan the Cat People or
: Vampire at the city and Temples of Thebes
: were they came from 2800 D.C. in the 18th
: Dynasty of Amenhotep I when made contact
: with Babylonians or Sumerian Jewish people
: or the Gurna. The Gurna people have 16519,
: 73 and 195) or 73, 150, 195 which
: Jewish-Egyptian Markers the Gurna were the
: Rh negative Gurna jewish Pharaoh but they
: are the original ancestor of the Gypsy
: people who have
:
: "Mitochondrial DNA Variability in
: Slovaks, with Application to the Roma
: Origin"
:
:
:
: "Previously, we have found that the
: Polish Roma population is characterized by
: high incidence (18.8%) of haplogroup J1*
: lineage, defined by HVS I motif
: 16069–16126-16145–16222-16235–16261-16271
: (Malyarchuk et al. 2006a). This and a
: similar haplotype, lacking only the 16271
: transition, are very rare in European Roma
: populations, being found only in the
: Spanish, Bulgarian and Hungarian Roma
: (Gresham et al. 2001; Egyed et al. 2007).
:
: