This is the die hard Nova fan board so of course you'll hear opinions like this, but still what kind of sense does it make to kill off a genuine possibility for a new franschise especially now that GOTG is coming out.
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: Great viewpoints from both Lio Convoy and
: Primer; you;re exactly right. Nova Prime is
: as much a potential money maker like any
: other character Marvel has (or DC, etc). In
: order for comics to sell; okay there is a
: certain lee-way to pander to fans interests
: and what they expect their fav character
: should be involved in creatively.
:
: The same framework applies even at fan level
: - take my own Nova619 fan comic that I do
: for NPP; If I altered the framework of what
: Nova fans expect Rich to be - or even as
: Marvel has done; replace him with a
: alternate that in the end hasn't proven to
: be flavor of the month to everyone - then in
: turn that generates negative word of mouth -
: and that as you point out is the most
: powerful and influential form of advertising
: there is. Just yesterday after posting the
: info ref GOTG 18 or Gunn's comment that he
: doesn't actually like Nova "because he
: wears a helmet sic" those generated
: more responses I've seen in about an hour
: after posting - well over 500.
:
: I know there's going to be a general doom
: and gloom regarding how the arc in GOTG will
: pan out - BMB doesn't inspire anyone - but
: here's the silver lining that you all need
: to think on. In comics - its very rare that
: any character stays dead forever - Captain
: Mar-Vel (the original) being one of a few
: exceptions. Okay some will say that he did
: come back - but those returns turned out to
: be plot devises wherein he was a clone or a
: skrull or from the Cancerverse - whatever -
: the Starlin novel was never retconed.
:
: Now as far as Rich goes - lets say we get
: the resolution that he was
: "absorbed" into Thanos just like
: Scott Summers was "absorbed" into
: Apocalypse during a Chris Claremont/ Alan
: Davis arc. There are always ways and
: creative means to re-set the status quo - a
: get out clause that can be played to do
: that. Added to that, along in the future
: could come a creative team that obliges to
: bring Rich back - ignores BMB or Loeb's so
: called continuity blunders and bring him
: back near to where we want him to be. Such
: is the plot devise I use in Nova619 -
: different universe, different timeline -
: just branching out along a different path
: "prior" to the major catastrophe
: where events lead to that character's death.
: Dna did it themselves in War of Kings -
: showing us a path where if Rich has followed
: through with Nita, not got involved with
: Stamford, etc...
:
: So the silver lining is folks that a) if we
: see Rich does die and its a way Nova fans
: will fully respond too with displeasure -
: show your feelings by going to BMB or Alex
: ALonso or any marvel forum and vent your
: feelings. Then remember that unless its a
: cast iron " no return" scenario -
: there is always a way and means to bring a
: fictional character back from any apparent
: death. Conan Doyle did it with Sherlock
: Holmes. Some clever bloke like say Mark Waid
: or another Johnathan Hickman can do the same
: for Rich; the latter mores on since Thanos'
: current situation is his responsibility post
: Infinity - that's assuming we see the
: Rich/Thanos absorbed scenario.
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: Very we'll written, lio_convoy.
:
: I could not agree with you more on what you
: said about Rider/Nova getting a lot of free
: internet publicity. In marketing, word of
: mouth advertisement is the best and most
: powerful form of advertisement and Richard
: Rider have been getting a lot of it
: recently. Now it has reach a peak.
:
: Believe it or not, Marvel is very happy with
: you and everyone else who have posted
: comments about Richard Rider here on this
: board, cbr, cbn, and many others because you
: are representing them by doing the
: advertisement for them. As a direct result
: of your action, your comments are actually
: helping marvel save a lot of money on
: advertisement and also helping them by bring
: more interest to Richard Rider which at the
: end will generate more sales.
:
: Ultimately, your comments are helping Marvel
: make a lot of money.
:
: It would be a fool and idiotic move on
: Marvel if they decide to kill Rider and
: completely replace him with Sam when so many
: people in the internet and through out the
: world wants to see Richard Rider back as
: Nova Prime. Think of all of the money
: Marvel will lose if Marvel do decide to do
: that.
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: Nothing I've read gives me any kind of
: confidence about what happens to Rich, but
: I've got to show my support for the
: character, even if it is for one last time.
: For the first time in years, I'm buying a
: few Marvel comics. (GOTG 18-20.) I put the
: 3 issues on sub at a comic book shop and I
: also sent a message to Brevoort's tumblr
: page to let him know why there was a +1 for
: those 3 issues (so he wouldn't get it
: confused with sales numbers going up from
: the movie). He replied to my message, so I
: know he got it.
:
: Great to see something new with Richard in
: it, but it's going to suck to say good-bye
: to my favourite superhero. Until now, at
: least I held out hope for a return, but the
: longer it goes, and the more I've seen
: online (difficulties getting Rich Rider
: approved for a video game, not being in the
: GOTG movie, Sam being on TV, people talking
: about Rich's helmet being seen in the new
: comic, and even the few responses I've seen
: from Brevoort & Bendis regarding Rich) I
: think we've got to finally admit, this is
: the end of the road for one of the coolest,
: more badass characters comics ever had. I'm
: usually an optimist, but nothing about this
: has given me any kind of hopeful feeling,
: and unless there was a last minute change of
: heart from BMB (which I doubt, seeing as I
: read he killed Ultimate Peter Parker and he
: was a bigger character for Marvel than Rich
: ever was), I'm pretty sure we'll be saying
: good-bye to RR in GOTG #20 for good. I get
: why Marvel changes things up (to keep things
: fresh and to attract new readers), but the
: downside is that to those of us who've
: invested our money, time and developed
: attachments to characters, it really, really
: sucks.
:
: Seeing the new art with Rich and Peter and
: Thanos gets me excited, but that excitement
: is underscored by this slightly depressing
: feeling of because my favourite character's
: being treated in a way I wish he wouldn't
: be. Comics are supposed to make you feel
: good. They're supposed to be fun, and an
: escape. This whole deal with Rich, how
: Marvel seems to be addressing the issue to
: his fans, and everything pointing to him
: being erased from the Marvel U after this
: just makes me feel bad.
:
: Sometimes a reboot is a good thing. Other
: times, it's a misstep. I'm not against
: them, and I've really enjoyed a few reboots
: of old properties. What I don't get is why
: Marvel spent so much time to really develop
: Rich and make him one of the most badass
: superheroes in their lineup only to pull the
: plug a few years later when they cancelled
: their entire cosmic lineup. Starting over
: again with Sam is an obvious mistake, since
: the sales numbers and fan reaction show
: that. In the last few months, movie,
: gaming, and comic review sites all have
: mentioned Rich in one way or another, by
: addressing the GOTG movie and rumors about
: Rich being in it (ultimately, he wasn't not
: even in the end credits), but the talk was
: there about Rich, and not Sam, and people
: were excited at the possibility of seeing
: Rich. Comments sections were all
: overwhelmingly positive about the
: possibility of having Rich back. These were
: people who don't frequent this board, Cosmic
: or CBR. (Not the passionate fans.) Random
: people on facebook, who I didn't even know
: read comics knew about Rich, and talked
: about that they hoped he'd be in it and not
: Sam. There's also been a slow build-up of
: people talking about the 3 issue GOTG arc
: with Rich. What it boils down to, is in all
: the years he's been in comics, I've never
: seen him talked about this much. If Marvel
: was going to do anything to capitalize on
: Rich's popularity, now would be the time to
: do it, after all of this positive talk about
: him online. You can't buy the kind of good
: press he's gotten since the Spring. GOTG
: #18 is coming out a month after this all is
: reaching a peak, so there'll still be some
: people curious enough about him that will
: find out he's in GOTG, and they'll pick it
: up. The downside is with it more than
: likely being Rich's swan song, ("Left
: sealed in a twisted and horrific version of
: our own universe, Richard Rider sacrificed
: everything to save us.") I wonder how
: many people will want to invest in a
: character that's at the end of his life with
: no other stories coming.
:
: It's almost comical, the timing of
: everything. Marvel finally had a shot at
: getting a good solid run with Richard thanks
: to a lot of good free Internet publicity,
: but instead of realizing that it was
: happening, they missed catching it by not
: checking out Google results for
: ("Richard Rider" Nova) over the
: course of 3-4 months. For once, it wasn't
: just Nova fans, or cosmic fans talking about
: him, but since the end of winter, he's been
: splashed across so many internet news sites,
: I lost count months ago.
:
: I'll be honestly curious to see how GOTG's
: numbers do with #18. I know a part of that
: will be because of the movie, but the other
: part will be Rich. Again, it's bad timing,
: because of the movie coming out just before,
: because there's no way that Marvel can tell
: which people picked it up to find out what
: happened to Rich, and which people picked it
: up because of the movie.
:
: My last thought is this.
:
: OTOH, all of the new readers who will go
: pick up the book will be introduced to
: Richard Rider. And that timing is really,
: really interesting. Marvel is coming off a
: point where the Internet really started
: talking about Rich. The movie will still be
: fresh in people's minds by the end of August
: and people will go pick up the comic.
: That's a lot of people who will get their
: first look at Richard Rider that might not
: have ever had one before. If there ever was
: a time to make a successful change over from
: Sam to Rich, or to re-introduce Rich in his
: own book, that time is now. They've put
: themselves in a position to have a win with
: a Nova book for the first time by a fluke of
: timing. The question is what are they doing
: to the character in those 3 issues? If they
: kill him off, then there goes any chance of
: ever having a successful run, since they
: just killed him off in front of what could
: possibly be the largest audience he could
: ever be introduced to. If they don't kill
: him off, and the story is well written, you
: know people will be asking for more. If
: that's the case what's next?
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: Well Rich fans - its getting nearer - and it
: looks as if MARVEL is determined to ensure
: that this is the final outing for Nova
: Prime. Of course well all buy the 3 issues -
: purely for the nostalgia kick of seeing Rich
: and Peter (which will be drawn superbly by
: McGuiness) side by side when a great stellar
: team like Dna really did Marvel Cosmic proud
: - shacked by a plot line that BMB probably
: cobbled together on a few scraps of tissue
: paper from the small room - intended to bury
: Nova Prime mythology once and for all. I
: think i can safely predict that the next 3
: months will be very intense for Rider fans
: and after the 3rd issue comes out I think
: I;d be very surprised the Nova Prime fan
: base will be jovial. Gather to arms comrades
: as Cosmo would say - a storm's a coming.
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