First incoming State Visit for King Charles III - Jewel thoughts
Posted by GertJan on October 5, 2022, 1:20 am
King Charles to Host His First State Visit at Buckingham Palace for the president of South Africa.
Buckingham Palace announced that the three-day trip will take place in a short statement today and said further details of the itinerary will made clear nearer the time. “The President of the Republic of South Africa, President Cyril Ramaphosa, accompanied by Dr Tshepo Motsepe, has accepted an invitation from His Majesty The King to pay a State Visit to the United Kingdom from Tuesday 22nd November to Thursday 24th November 2022. The King and The Queen Consort will host the State Visit at Buckingham Palace,” the statement said.
What about the Jewels and tiaras? I would like to see the Queen Consort with an other tiara than her usual Greville Honeycomb.
I would say for Queen Camilla none of the tiaras closely associated with the late Queen Elizabeth II. at this point. So no Girl 's of Great Britain, no Vladimir tiara and no Queen Alexandra's kokoshnik. But perhaps the orientcal circlet or Queen Mary's fringe tiara which both were not often sued by her and more associated with the Queen Mother.
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King Charles to Host His First State Visit at Buckingham Palace for the president of South Africa.
Buckingham Palace announced that the three-day trip will take place in a short statement today and said further details of the itinerary will made clear nearer the time. “The President of the Republic of South Africa, President Cyril Ramaphosa, accompanied by Dr Tshepo Motsepe, has accepted an invitation from His Majesty The King to pay a State Visit to the United Kingdom from Tuesday 22nd November to Thursday 24th November 2022. The King and The Queen Consort will host the State Visit at Buckingham Palace,” the statement said.
What about the Jewels and tiaras? I would like to see the Queen Consort with an other tiara than her usual Greville Honeycomb.
I wish they would start wearing the Q Adelaide instead of the Mary. I hate how it comes to a rise in the centre, the Adelaide is much prettier. But I agree that they would not want to make a point of having access to the late queens collection, and also with the cost of living crisis here in the UK I very much doubt we shall see big diamonds so the rubies, whilst possibly much more valuable might be a good choice.
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I hope she will select Queen Alexandra's Kokoshnik tiara. The diamonds fit with the situation of just coming out of official mourning and it's a piece that has been worn by several queens so not personal to the late queen. Were she to opt for the Greville tiara it would be too much of a Duchess of Cornwall role instead of underlining with the jewels her new position as Queen.
Im expecting the new Princess of Wales will opt for the Cambridge lovers' knot tiara.
It will be interesting to see if the Princess Royal and or de Countess of Wessex and Forfar will wear new tiara's.
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I wish they would start wearing the Q Adelaide instead of the Mary. I hate how it comes to a rise in the centre, the Adelaide is much prettier. But I agree that they would not want to make a point of having access to the late queens collection, and also with the cost of living crisis here in the UK I very much doubt we shall see big diamonds so the rubies, whilst possibly much more valuable might be a good choice.
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I hope by then not to see the Countess of Wessesx in a tiara but the Duchess of Edinburgh.
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I hope she will select Queen Alexandra's Kokoshnik tiara. The diamonds fit with the situation of just coming out of official mourning and it's a piece that has been worn by several queens so not personal to the late queen. Were she to opt for the Greville tiara it would be too much of a Duchess of Cornwall role instead of underlining with the jewels her new position as Queen.
Im expecting the new Princess of Wales will opt for the Cambridge lovers' knot tiara.
It will be interesting to see if the Princess Royal and or de Countess of Wessex and Forfar will wear new tiara's.
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I wish they would start wearing the Q Adelaide instead of the Mary. I hate how it comes to a rise in the centre, the Adelaide is much prettier. But I agree that they would not want to make a point of having access to the late queens collection, and also with the cost of living crisis here in the UK I very much doubt we shall see big diamonds so the rubies, whilst possibly much more valuable might be a good choice.
Stefan
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I think we'll have to wait a few months before we see that elevation.
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I hope by then not to see the Countess of Wessesx in a tiara but the Duchess of Edinburgh.
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I hope she will select Queen Alexandra's Kokoshnik tiara. The diamonds fit with the situation of just coming out of official mourning and it's a piece that has been worn by several queens so not personal to the late queen. Were she to opt for the Greville tiara it would be too much of a Duchess of Cornwall role instead of underlining with the jewels her new position as Queen.
Im expecting the new Princess of Wales will opt for the Cambridge lovers' knot tiara.
It will be interesting to see if the Princess Royal and or de Countess of Wessex and Forfar will wear new tiara's.
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I wish they would start wearing the Q Adelaide instead of the Mary. I hate how it comes to a rise in the centre, the Adelaide is much prettier. But I agree that they would not want to make a point of having access to the late queens collection, and also with the cost of living crisis here in the UK I very much doubt we shall see big diamonds so the rubies, whilst possibly much more valuable might be a good choice.
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I think the Oriental circlet is a good guess as to which of the treasures Queen Camilla will wear first, since it was a great favorite of Queen Elizabeth The Queen Mother. The press can spin it that it was Queen Victoria’s circlet first before being worn by other queens.
I was already thinking ahead to the first Parliament the new king and queen will open, and if it will be in full State or not. I have seen photos of Queen Alexandra and Queen Mary both in mourning black but otherwise fully decked out in diamonds and ermine. If this were the case I wonder if Queen Camilla will opt for the George IV diadem or if it’s too closely associated with Queen Elizabeth II since it was on her coins and bank notes portraits and she was filmed every year wearing it to Parliament.
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King Charles to Host His First State Visit at Buckingham Palace for the president of South Africa.
Buckingham Palace announced that the three-day trip will take place in a short statement today and said further details of the itinerary will made clear nearer the time. “The President of the Republic of South Africa, President Cyril Ramaphosa, accompanied by Dr Tshepo Motsepe, has accepted an invitation from His Majesty The King to pay a State Visit to the United Kingdom from Tuesday 22nd November to Thursday 24th November 2022. The King and The Queen Consort will host the State Visit at Buckingham Palace,” the statement said.
What about the Jewels and tiaras? I would like to see the Queen Consort with an other tiara than her usual Greville Honeycomb.
I hope the Princes of Wales will wear QEII's south african diamond set (necklace + bracelet), I think it will be fantastic on her
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I think the Oriental circlet is a good guess as to which of the treasures Queen Camilla will wear first, since it was a great favorite of Queen Elizabeth The Queen Mother. The press can spin it that it was Queen Victoria’s circlet first before being worn by other queens.
I was already thinking ahead to the first Parliament the new king and queen will open, and if it will be in full State or not. I have seen photos of Queen Alexandra and Queen Mary both in mourning black but otherwise fully decked out in diamonds and ermine. If this were the case I wonder if Queen Camilla will opt for the George IV diadem or if it’s too closely associated with Queen Elizabeth II since it was on her coins and bank notes portraits and she was filmed every year wearing it to Parliament.
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King Charles to Host His First State Visit at Buckingham Palace for the president of South Africa.
Buckingham Palace announced that the three-day trip will take place in a short statement today and said further details of the itinerary will made clear nearer the time. “The President of the Republic of South Africa, President Cyril Ramaphosa, accompanied by Dr Tshepo Motsepe, has accepted an invitation from His Majesty The King to pay a State Visit to the United Kingdom from Tuesday 22nd November to Thursday 24th November 2022. The King and The Queen Consort will host the State Visit at Buckingham Palace,” the statement said.
What about the Jewels and tiaras? I would like to see the Queen Consort with an other tiara than her usual Greville Honeycomb.
The South African diamond set was personal property of the Queen. I suspect it may therefore have been left to one of her other children, while the King and his heirs received the major state jewels.
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I hope the Princes of Wales will wear QEII's south african diamond set (necklace + bracelet), I think it will be fantastic on her
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1) I hope new King Charles III will uphold the level of pageantry of State visits, and will not remove, in the sake of "modernization" and expense-cuts, the white-die dinners, with guests displaying their medals and orders, and the ladies wearing tiaras and major jewellery. I know that the UK is currently facing serious economic hardships, but a black-tie, tiara-less dinner would not be one single penny cheaper to the British government, while it would be certainly duller. Let's keep our fingers crossed!
2) We don't know if the jewels which belonged to the late Queen Elizabeth II have already been divided between her heirs. Just speculation from me, but I guess it might take a few weeks before her last will is communicated to her heirs and before the dividing of the jewels actually takes place. In The Queen's Jewels, Leslie Field mentions that, after Queen Alexandra's death on 20th November, 1925, her children (minus Princess Louise, Duchess of Fife) gathered in Sandringham on 9th January, 1926 to divide their mother's belongings - i.e. seven weeks after the Queen's death. We are now just one month after Queen Elizabeth II's death, and we will be two months after during the South African State visit. So it might be possible that Queen Elizabeth II's jewels are still locked in their vault, waiting for the late Queen's instructions to be known. If it is the case, Queen Camilla, the Princess of Wales and the Countess of Wessex would have no other option, for the South African State visit, to use the jewels which are already at their disposal, either in full property or on loan from the late Queen (which still leaves all three of them with a nice panel of options ).
3) The jewels labelled "heirlooms of the Crown" will undoubtedly go to King Charles III. As for the rest of the collection, we can only speculate about who will inherit what, as Queen Elizabeth II's last will will very probably remain undisclosed to the public. It is possible that the bulk of the collection goes to the King as well, in order to avoid inheritance tax (possibly with instructions from the late Queen to her successor to leave some jewels on loan to other family members). But I would be surprised anyway that Princess Anne, Sophie, Countess of Wessex, Zara Tindall, Princesses Beatrice and Eugenie of York and Lady Louise of Wessex do not receive anything from their mother's/mother-in-law's/grand-mother's inheritance.
4) Interestingly, Leslie Field mentions, about the aforementioned dividing of Queen Alexandra's jewels in January 1926, that, though the late Queen's estate wad divided into four equal shares, King George V and Queen Mary "specifically included in their share those jewels that in 1863 had been wedding gifts to Queen Alexandra from her husband, the then Prince of Wales, Queen Victoria and civic bodies, as well as the jewellery that Queen Victoria had left to Queen Alexandra as personal bequests in 1901". If the same criterias are followed, then King Charles III would receive all the jewels which Queen Elizabeth II had inherited from Queen Mary in 1953 or from Queen Elizabeth the Queen Mother in 2002, as well as the jewels received from cities, regiments, Commonwealth countries and provinces and other various "civic bodies", and also probably the jewels officially presented to the late Queen by foreign heads of State. That would possibly leave for other heirs all the jewels that Queen Elizabeth II received privately from friends or family members or that she acquired personally (just to name a few, and not minor ones: the Burmese ruby tiara, the Barings ruby necklace, King George VI's sapphire suite, the Williamson pink diamond flower brooch, the Godman emerald necklace, the Jardine star brooch, the Grima ruby and gold brooch, the aquamarine double-clip, the three Nizam of Hyderabad rose brooches...).
All this being said, and being aware that it is so far very much speculation, I now come back to the impending South-African State visit to the UK:
- an appearance of the Cullinan "chips" would be nice, as the Cullinan was found in South Africa and was presented to King Edward VII by the Government of Transvaal:
- similarly, it would be nice to see again the South African diamond necklace (and the matching bracelet) presented in 1947 by the South African government to the then Princess Elizabeth on her 21st birthday. But I think this thin, delicate necklace, would not suit a mature lady like Queen Camilla: in my opinion, it would look better with the younger Catherine, Princess of Wales (possibly with a small Art Deco-style tiara, like the Cartier Halo tiara or Queen Mary's diamond bandeau, respectively worn on their wedding day by Catherine and Meghan):
- I would LOVE to see Queen Camilla wearing (at last) the Teck crescent tiara, which had been loaned to her by the Queen Elizabeth II, but which she has never worn publicly:
- I would appreciate that Queen Camilla wears the Duchess of Kent amethyst demi-parure. Not only it is not very much associated with the late Queen, as Elizabeth II has worn it only a couple of times in the 1980s (notably for a State visit to Portugal), but the purple colour of the amethysts would be a sensitive half-mourning tribute to the late Queen:
- if the Princess of Wales does not wear the South African demi-parure, I would love to see her wearing the set of emerald and diamond jewels with Welsh symbols (pendant, brooch, bracelet, earrings) presented to Queen Alexandra, then Princess of Wales, as wedding gifts from Welsh communities (the various pieces of the set have been occasionally worn - separately - by Queen Elizabeth the Queen Mother and by the Duchess of Cornwall, and the pendant was also frequently worn by Diana, Princess of Wales). That would be a nice and symbolic way to mark Catherine's new status as Princess of Wales. These jewels could be nicely matched with the Greville emerald tiara (the one worn by Princess Eugenie of York on her wedding day):
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The South African diamond set was personal property of the Queen. I suspect it may therefore have been left to one of her other children, while the King and his heirs received the major state jewels.
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I hope the Princes of Wales will wear QEII's south african diamond set (necklace + bracelet), I think it will be fantastic on her
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I personally think that there will not be a great leap into QEII's jewellery vault so early on.
In fact, I think that maybe until the Coronation of Charles III , Camilla will keep things low key and use the jewellery that she is familiar with.
I think that the public is still pretty emotional about QEII's passing and if Camilla was to move to quickly, it might upset some people.
Camilla unfortunately still has some detractors who would love to pounce all over her for "not being able to wait to get her hands on The Queen's jewels".
I think that, from an optics point of view, waiting until after the coronation to use the queenly jewels may be a more delicate way of handling this issue.
I may be wrong but it would not surprise me if this was the case as Camilla I feel is modest and would not want to overplay her position - even if she is technically entitled.Cheers! Bryce
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I feel exactly the opposite. By wearing some jewels Elizabeth II, her mother, grandmother and possibly her greatgrandmother wore the new queen will make her transition into her new role easier. So im really hoping for Alexandra's Kokoshnik tiara. A piece that is not very strongly associated to the late queen but still is a regal jewel fit for a queen.
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I personally think that there will not be a great leap into QEII's jewellery vault so early on.
In fact, I think that maybe until the Coronation of Charles III , Camilla will keep things low key and use the jewellery that she is familiar with.
I think that the public is still pretty emotional about QEII's passing and if Camilla was to move to quickly, it might upset some people.
Camilla unfortunately still has some detractors who would love to pounce all over her for "not being able to wait to get her hands on The Queen's jewels".
I think that, from an optics point of view, waiting until after the coronation to use the queenly jewels may be a more delicate way of handling this issue.
I may be wrong but it would not surprise me if this was the case as Camilla I feel is modest and would not want to overplay her position - even if she is technically entitled.
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I have a feeling that the diamonds, which HM called her Best Diamonds, may have been left to Sophie with the intention that they are passed down to Louise in the fullness of time. They would be a fitting inheritance of her royal lineage in years to come both for her and her future descendants.
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I hope the Princes of Wales will wear QEII's south african diamond set (necklace + bracelet), I think it will be fantastic on her
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I think the Oriental circlet is a good guess as to which of the treasures Queen Camilla will wear first, since it was a great favorite of Queen Elizabeth The Queen Mother. The press can spin it that it was Queen Victoria’s circlet first before being worn by other queens.
I was already thinking ahead to the first Parliament the new king and queen will open, and if it will be in full State or not. I have seen photos of Queen Alexandra and Queen Mary both in mourning black but otherwise fully decked out in diamonds and ermine. If this were the case I wonder if Queen Camilla will opt for the George IV diadem or if it’s too closely associated with Queen Elizabeth II since it was on her coins and bank notes portraits and she was filmed every year wearing it to Parliament.
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King Charles to Host His First State Visit at Buckingham Palace for the president of South Africa.
Buckingham Palace announced that the three-day trip will take place in a short statement today and said further details of the itinerary will made clear nearer the time. “The President of the Republic of South Africa, President Cyril Ramaphosa, accompanied by Dr Tshepo Motsepe, has accepted an invitation from His Majesty The King to pay a State Visit to the United Kingdom from Tuesday 22nd November to Thursday 24th November 2022. The King and The Queen Consort will host the State Visit at Buckingham Palace,” the statement said.
What about the Jewels and tiaras? I would like to see the Queen Consort with an other tiara than her usual Greville Honeycomb.
Yes let's keep everything in the vault in case we offend someone who actually knows it was worn by the late Queen. Most people out there have absolutely NO CLUE! If I am not mistaken the adagium of QEII was: Just get on with it! Perhaps more people should take that to hart. That said there are plenty of grand jewels better kept in the vault for esthetical or political reasons: Burmese Rubies, Brazilian Aquamarines, Saudi jewels etc. etc.
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I personally think that there will not be a great leap into QEII's jewellery vault so early on.
In fact, I think that maybe until the Coronation of Charles III , Camilla will keep things low key and use the jewellery that she is familiar with.
I think that the public is still pretty emotional about QEII's passing and if Camilla was to move to quickly, it might upset some people.
Camilla unfortunately still has some detractors who would love to pounce all over her for "not being able to wait to get her hands on The Queen's jewels".
I think that, from an optics point of view, waiting until after the coronation to use the queenly jewels may be a more delicate way of handling this issue.
I may be wrong but it would not surprise me if this was the case as Camilla I feel is modest and would not want to overplay her position - even if she is technically entitled.
on October 5, 2022, 1:20 am
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