Jewels worn by HRH Princess Lilian of Rethy

Posted by Hans on March 26, 2025, 1:38 am

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Posted by Lucas on March 26, 2025, 3:27 am, in reply to "Jewels worn by HRH Princess Lilian of Rethy "

Great jewels, but not alas on a woman who has my sympathy .... Previous Message

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Posted by JohnPete on March 26, 2025, 3:39 am, in reply to "Jewels worn by HRH Princess Lilian of Rethy "

Emerald tiara

Posted by Hans on March 26, 2025, 6:34 am, in reply to "Re: Jewels worn by HRH Princess Lilian of Rethy "

I have read that the big emerald brooch with pendant is no longer in the family but I know nothing about the tiara (wich I think belonged to Fabiola) Previous Message She was creative with using the diamonds of the Nine Provinces tiara as necklaces, or the base of her tiara. The breakup of the emerald necklace/tiara makes me sad. Also, what a shame to lose the large emerald brooch.

Re: Jewels worn by HRH Princess Lilian of Rethy

Posted by Hans on March 26, 2025, 6:35 am, in reply to "Re: Jewels worn by HRH Princess Lilian of Rethy "

I understand…. Previous Message Great jewels, but not alas on a woman who has my sympathy .... Previous Message

Re: Emerald tiara

Posted by Stefan on March 26, 2025, 7:48 am, in reply to "Emerald tiara "

Have once seen a pics of a necklace in the luxemburgian collection which looked similar only bar the emeralds. perhaps it went to Joséphine-Charlotte who is said to got her mothers emeralds. Previous Message I have read that the big emerald brooch with pendant is no longer in the family but I know nothing about the tiara (wich I think belonged to Fabiola) Previous Message She was creative with using the diamonds of the Nine Provinces tiara as necklaces, or the base of her tiara. The breakup of the emerald necklace/tiara makes me sad. Also, what a shame to lose the large emerald brooch. Stefan

Queen Astrid 's emeralds

Posted by Maria Olivia on March 26, 2025, 8:06 am, in reply to "Re: Emerald tiara "

We never saw again the emeralds Princess Astrid received as present for King Baudouin birth. Princess Lilian was the last wearer. The emerald brooch is important. At Princess Marie José Wedding Queen Elisabeth wore the top of the pendent on her Cartier tiara and Princess Astrid the main brooch on her dress. Josephine Charlotte received the earrings and some emeralds but never the tiara and never the Brooch. Queen Astrid wore also the nine province diamonds as necklace. Previous Message Have once seen a pics of a necklace in the luxemburgian collection which looked similar only bar the emeralds. perhaps it went to Joséphine-Charlotte who is said to got her mothers emeralds. Previous Message I have read that the big emerald brooch with pendant is no longer in the family but I know nothing about the tiara (wich I think belonged to Fabiola) Previous Message She was creative with using the diamonds of the Nine Provinces tiara as necklaces, or the base of her tiara. The breakup of the emerald necklace/tiara makes me sad. Also, what a shame to lose the large emerald brooch.

Re: Emerald tiara - diamond frame

Posted by Hans on March 26, 2025, 8:06 am, in reply to "Re: Emerald tiara "

Previous Message Have once seen a pics of a necklace in the luxemburgian collection which looked similar only bar the emeralds. perhaps it went to Joséphine-Charlotte who is said to got her mothers emeralds. Previous Message I have read that the big emerald brooch with pendant is no longer in the family but I know nothing about the tiara (wich I think belonged to Fabiola) Previous Message She was creative with using the diamonds of the Nine Provinces tiara as necklaces, or the base of her tiara. The breakup of the emerald necklace/tiara makes me sad. Also, what a shame to lose the large emerald brooch.

Re: Emerald tiara - diamond frame

Posted by Maria Olivia on March 26, 2025, 9:54 am, in reply to "Re: Emerald tiara - diamond frame"

This was discussed before. Hans do you know that jean Marie Delwart the owner the the castle Argenteuil passed away.? Previous Message Previous Message Have once seen a pics of a necklace in the luxemburgian collection which looked similar only bar the emeralds. perhaps it went to Joséphine-Charlotte who is said to got her mothers emeralds. Previous Message I have read that the big emerald brooch with pendant is no longer in the family but I know nothing about the tiara (wich I think belonged to Fabiola) Previous Message She was creative with using the diamonds of the Nine Provinces tiara as necklaces, or the base of her tiara. The breakup of the emerald necklace/tiara makes me sad. Also, what a shame to lose the large emerald brooch.

Re: Emerald tiara - diamond frame

Posted by Hans on March 27, 2025, 4:45 am, in reply to "Re: Emerald tiara - diamond frame"

I had really no idea…. Sad News! Will the Castle go to the Solvay family? Can you help us with information about the emerald tiara from Queen Astrid? Previous Message This was discussed before. Hans do you know that jean Marie Delwart the owner the the castle Argenteuil passed away.? Previous Message Previous Message Have once seen a pics of a necklace in the luxemburgian collection which looked similar only bar the emeralds. perhaps it went to Joséphine-Charlotte who is said to got her mothers emeralds. Previous Message I have read that the big emerald brooch with pendant is no longer in the family but I know nothing about the tiara (wich I think belonged to Fabiola) Previous Message She was creative with using the diamonds of the Nine Provinces tiara as necklaces, or the base of her tiara. The breakup of the emerald necklace/tiara makes me sad. Also, what a shame to lose the large emerald brooch.

Argenteuil Castle et Recap of the lost belgian Royal Jewels

Posted by Maria Olivia on March 27, 2025, 7:10 am, in reply to "Re: Emerald tiara - diamond frame"

Hans I cannot send you private messages. When Princess Lilian passed away, Prince Alexandre and Princess Maria Esmeralda wanted the Argenteuil Castle being their Parents Memorial. The Prime Minister said no, it has to come back to the State. Important Auctions at Sotheby and others because Princess Marie Christine was in money need. Jean Marie Delwart bought the emply Castle 8 millions of Euros and renovated. He has a scientific Foundation. He wanted to sell the castle when he was 80 th more than 20 millions Euros and he stopped it because the buyers did not correspond to the spirit of his Foundation. Now he passed away at 85 th, no news about Argenteuil did he sold it privately?? As for Queen Astrid emeralds, I thought King Leopold III will give them to King Baudouin as he did for Prince Albert, they were their birth presents. He gave the Nine Province tiara to Fabiola. Queen Astrid emeralds are lost for ever and Queen Elisabeth giving her Cartier tiara to her Son Leopold III , the tiara is also lost for ever. Queen Marie José took her Mothers jewels and inherited Prince Charles Leuchtenberg tiara. Princess Maria Gabriella sold a lot of them. It continues , Queen Fabiola spanish tiara and her aquamarines are also lost for ever. Now what will happen to Queen Paola's jewels, we don't know. I will be happy that the famous "hate" between Royals in Belgian will be over. Previous Message I had really no idea…. Sad News! Will the Castle go to the Solvay family? Can you help us with information about the emerald tiara from Queen Astrid? Previous Message This was discussed before. Hans do you know that jean Marie Delwart the owner the the castle Argenteuil passed away.? Previous Message Previous Message Have once seen a pics of a necklace in the luxemburgian collection which looked similar only bar the emeralds. perhaps it went to Joséphine-Charlotte who is said to got her mothers emeralds. Previous Message I have read that the big emerald brooch with pendant is no longer in the family but I know nothing about the tiara (wich I think belonged to Fabiola) Previous Message She was creative with using the diamonds of the Nine Provinces tiara as necklaces, or the base of her tiara. The breakup of the emerald necklace/tiara makes me sad. Also, what a shame to lose the large emerald brooch.

Recap of the lost belgian Royal Jewels

Posted by Johan on March 27, 2025, 10:14 am, in reply to " Argenteuil Castle et Recap of the lost belgian Royal Jewels"

If the emerald necklace/tiara went to Boudewijn as it was the gift his mother received for his birth im curious what happened to it. The necklace would have gone well with the emerald version of the Spanish wedding gift tiara but Fabiola never wore it. She did wear the Nine Provinces tiara that also once belonged to Queen Astrid. Both pieces had been worn by princess Lilian but why wear one but not the other? I don't think Lilian got it because her big jewels were sold either by her or her children (Marie Christine needed the money) but we have not seen the piece on anyone or in any auction. The same for the aquamarines of Fabiola. She may very well have left some pieces to the children of Philippe who she and Boudewijn treated as their adopted son. I had hoped they would go to him but Fabiola lived long enough the see the next generation. She may have provided pieces for them. It would have been so. much easier if the Belgians had created their own family foundation like in Sweden, Luxembourg or the Netherlands. They could have had quite an impressive collection. Previous Message Hans I cannot send you private messages. When Princess Lilian passed away, Prince Alexandre and Princess Maria Esmeralda wanted the Argenteuil Castle being their Parents Memorial. The Prime Minister said no, it has to come back to the State. Important Auctions at Sotheby and others because Princess Marie Christine was in money need. Jean Marie Delwart bought the emply Castle 8 millions of Euros and renovated. He has a scientific Foundation. He wanted to sell the castle when he was 80 th more than 20 millions Euros and he stopped it because the buyers did not correspond to the spirit of his Foundation. Now he passed away at 85 th, no news about Argenteuil did he sold it privately?? As for Queen Astrid emeralds, I thought King Leopold III will give them to King Baudouin as he did for Prince Albert, they were their birth presents. He gave the Nine Province tiara to Fabiola. Queen Astrid emeralds are lost for ever and Queen Elisabeth giving her Cartier tiara to her Son Leopold III , the tiara is also lost for ever. Queen Marie José took her Mothers jewels and inherited Prince Charles Leuchtenberg tiara. Princess Maria Gabriella sold a lot of them. It continues , Queen Fabiola spanish tiara and her aquamarines are also lost for ever. Now what will happen to Queen Paola's jewels, we don't know. I will be happy that the famous "hate" between Royals in Belgian will be over. Previous Message I had really no idea…. Sad News! Will the Castle go to the Solvay family? Can you help us with information about the emerald tiara from Queen Astrid? Previous Message This was discussed before. Hans do you know that jean Marie Delwart the owner the the castle Argenteuil passed away.? Previous Message Previous Message Have once seen a pics of a necklace in the luxemburgian collection which looked similar only bar the emeralds. perhaps it went to Joséphine-Charlotte who is said to got her mothers emeralds. Previous Message I have read that the big emerald brooch with pendant is no longer in the family but I know nothing about the tiara (wich I think belonged to Fabiola) Previous Message She was creative with using the diamonds of the Nine Provinces tiara as necklaces, or the base of her tiara. The breakup of the emerald necklace/tiara makes me sad. Also, what a shame to lose the large emerald brooch.

Re: Jewels worn by HRH Princess Lilian of Rethy

Posted by Count75 on March 27, 2025, 11:35 am, in reply to "Re: Jewels worn by HRH Princess Lilian of Rethy "

I don't understand. How did the people treat her? I read that many were opposed to the marriage Previous Message Great jewels, but not alas on a woman who has my sympathy .... Previous Message

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Posted by Johan on March 27, 2025, 5:20 pm, in reply to "Re: Jewels worn by HRH Princess Lilian of Rethy "

She had three things working against her: 1 she married the widower of a very beloved Queen Astrid who died way too young 2 When Leopold III married her he was a prisoner of war being allowed to live at Laecken Castle while other Belgian servicemen were in camps away from their families. As Lilian was pregnant he did not have the option of waiting a few years. 3 she was a commoner marrying into a reigning dynasty. Her brother had only a few years earlier denied his brother Charles, count of Flanders to marry the woman he loved because she was a commoner. As a result Lilian was always seen as a gold digger, someone who slept her way into the Royal Family and took a place that did not belong to her. In fact she did make her husband happy and gave his children from the first marriage a much nicer childhood than they would have had otherwise. I think she may have been a warmer/nicer stepmother than she was as a mother to her own kids. For them she was quite ambitious and rather strict. Previous Message I don't understand. How did the people treat her? I read that many were opposed to the marriage Previous Message Great jewels, but not alas on a woman who has my sympathy .... Previous Message

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Posted by John R on March 28, 2025, 6:24 am, in reply to "Re: Jewels worn by HRH Princess Lilian of Rethy "

I have a more nuanced view of Lilian. It's all so hypocritical. Leopold had a difficult time dealing with the accident and being widowed so young. Lilian was an interesting woman who gave him some happiness back. Did she seduce him. Probably. But her parents and Queen Elisabeth were also at play. The King was in a difficult situation, being held by the Nazis. Wartime drama. They became intimate and married secretly in a religious ceremony. Only when she became pregnant soon after they were 'forced' to have a public (registered) civil wedding. It was all a bit messy and poorly thought through. But who behaved ' scandalous' ? Both I'd say. I am sure she and her family were ambitious and saw an opportunity forr advancement. When women are ambitious and trying to advance themselves people tend to view it as negative. When a man behaves the same way we applaud it. And I am sure she was a strict parent. Most parents were in those days! Nothing particular there either. She certainly wasn't conventional. Perhaps that's why Queen Elisabeth liked her. Lilian made many mistakes in her life and some pertained the way she dealt with the jewels she received or was supposed to be the custodian of... Previous Message She had three things working against her: 1 she married the widower of a very beloved Queen Astrid who died way too young 2 When Leopold III married her he was a prisoner of war being allowed to live at Laecken Castle while other Belgian servicemen were in camps away from their families. As Lilian was pregnant he did not have the option of waiting a few years. 3 she was a commoner marrying into a reigning dynasty. Her brother had only a few years earlier denied his brother Charles, count of Flanders to marry the woman he loved because she was a commoner. As a result Lilian was always seen as a gold digger, someone who slept her way into the Royal Family and took a place that did not belong to her. In fact she did make her husband happy and gave his children from the first marriage a much nicer childhood than they would have had otherwise. I think she may have been a warmer/nicer stepmother than she was as a mother to her own kids. For them she was quite ambitious and rather strict. Previous Message I don't understand. How did the people treat her? I read that many were opposed to the marriage Previous Message Great jewels, but not alas on a woman who has my sympathy .... Previous Message

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Posted by Count75 on April 3, 2025, 7:37 pm, in reply to "Re: Jewels worn by HRH Princess Lilian of Rethy "

Thanks. Did opinion change about her with the passage of years? Previous Message She had three things working against her: 1 she married the widower of a very beloved Queen Astrid who died way too young 2 When Leopold III married her he was a prisoner of war being allowed to live at Laecken Castle while other Belgian servicemen were in camps away from their families. As Lilian was pregnant he did not have the option of waiting a few years. 3 she was a commoner marrying into a reigning dynasty. Her brother had only a few years earlier denied his brother Charles, count of Flanders to marry the woman he loved because she was a commoner. As a result Lilian was always seen as a gold digger, someone who slept her way into the Royal Family and took a place that did not belong to her. In fact she did make her husband happy and gave his children from the first marriage a much nicer childhood than they would have had otherwise. I think she may have been a warmer/nicer stepmother than she was as a mother to her own kids. For them she was quite ambitious and rather strict. Previous Message I don't understand. How did the people treat her? I read that many were opposed to the marriage Previous Message Great jewels, but not alas on a woman who has my sympathy .... Previous Message