Princess Clementine Napoleon, Princess of Belgium jewels

Posted by Maria Olivia on August 1, 2025, 6:24 am

Sorry I posted belgium/french jewels of the very past.

Posted by Maria Olivia on August 4, 2025, 7:11 am, in reply to "Princess Clementine Napoleon, Princess of Belgium jewels"

Princess Clementine

Posted by Johan on August 4, 2025, 3:04 pm, in reply to "Sorry I posted belgium/french jewels of the very past."

Im afraid not much of the original Belgian collection (from Queen Louise-Marie and Queen Marie-Henriette) has remained. I know Clementine inherited some of the rubies but her daughter-in-law was never seen in them. I get the impression a lot has been dismantled or sold ages ago. Princess Alix does not seem to have a large collection and she has four children. French law would expect her to leave a quarter to each so even if she has a nice stash of jewels quite a few would be inherited by her daughters and younger son instead of her husband's heir (a grandson). Previous Message To me it is very important because it concerns a Daughter of King leopold II . The King had 3 daughters Louise who married Prince Philippe de Saxe Coburg had such a scandalous life that she lost all. Queens Eliabeth II and Camilla are wearing one of her jewels the sapphire and diamond tiara. Stephanie married Archduke Rodolphe. After She married Elemer Lonyay, his small nobility made Stephanie banned by Emperor François Joseph and her Father. She had a tiara and Choker from Chaumet stolen by the Bolcheviques. Now our Princess Chementine who has to wait her father's dead to marry Prince Victor Napoleon. They had two Childen, I spoke before. Princess Marie Clotilde Heirs sold on March 24th 2013 (Orsenat) Collection du Prince Victor et de la Princese Clementine de Belgigue 227 historic items . Among them the engagement ring of Empress Josephine , Bonaparte who was not rich bought a little toi et moi un diamond and sapphire , sold 900.000 euros. Endly Princess Alix Napoleon . With Prince Louis they had 4 Children and lived in Prangins (CH). A neighbour sold his house 20.000 millions. She is now 99 and owns historic items and jewels and we will see how much is left. I think she will give the most important part to His Grandson the Heir. The Widow of Prince Louis Napoleon , who is 99 is still living. Theylllibed i Pragins Princess Clementine is the only one who had jewels from the main line (King Leopold II). She married Prince Victor Napoleon and had two Children Louis Napoleon and Clothilde Comtesse Serge de Witt. They inherited her jewels.Princess Alix Napoleon is still living , she had a lot of jewels (alas some were stolen in Paris). What has she now ? A conclict Generation made her Grandson the Heir. His wife wore an Aoste jewel as tiara.

Oldest Belgian Royal tiara

Posted by Maria Olivia on August 5, 2025, 10:18 am, in reply to "Princess Clementine"

Johan , you are right no tiara was left after the two first Queens. Never in other Royal families, tiaras were lost or sold : We lost the Cartier tiara , Prince Charles Leuchtenberg tiara, Queen Astrid emerald tiara, Princess Lilian tiara , Queen Fabiola Spanish tiara. The oldest tiara is Queen Elisabeth Deco tiara worn now by Queen Paola. I know Clementine inherited some of the rubies but her daughter-in-law was never seen in them. I get the impression a lot has been dismantled or sold ages ago. Princess Alix does not seem to have a large collection and she has four children. French law would expect her to leave a quarter to each so even if she has a nice stash of jewels quite a few would be inherited by her daughters and younger son instead of her husband's heir (a grandson). Previous Message To me it is very important because it concerns a Daughter of King leopold II . The King had 3 daughters Louise who married Prince Philippe de Saxe Coburg had such a scandalous life that she lost all. Queens Eliabeth II and Camilla are wearing one of her jewels the sapphire and diamond tiara. Stephanie married Archduke Rodolphe. After She married Elemer Lonyay, his small nobility made Stephanie banned by Emperor François Joseph and her Father. She had a tiara and Choker from Chaumet stolen by the Bolcheviques. Now our Princess Chementine who has to wait her father's dead to marry Prince Victor Napoleon. They had two Childen, I spoke before. Princess Marie Clotilde Heirs sold on March 24th 2013 (Orsenat) Collection du Prince Victor et de la Princese Clementine de Belgigue 227 historic items . Among them the engagement ring of Empress Josephine , Bonaparte who was not rich bought a little toi et moi un diamond and sapphire , sold 900.000 euros. Endly Princess Alix Napoleon . With Prince Louis they had 4 Children and lived in Prangins (CH). A neighbour sold his house 20.000 millions. She is now 99 and owns historic items and jewels and we will see how much is left. I think she will give the most important part to His Grandson the Heir. The Widow of Prince Louis Napoleon , who is 99 is still living. Theylllibed i Pragins Princess Clementine is the only one who had jewels from the main line (King Leopold II). She married Prince Victor Napoleon and had two Children Louis Napoleon and Clothilde Comtesse Serge de Witt. They inherited her jewels.Princess Alix Napoleon is still living , she had a lot of jewels (alas some were stolen in Paris). What has she now ? A conclict Generation made her Grandson the Heir. His wife wore an Aoste jewel as tiara.

Re: Oldest Belgian Royal tiara

Posted by Johan on August 6, 2025, 9:44 am, in reply to "Oldest Belgian Royal tiara"

It's a shame Philippe did not buy any of the Belgian pieces of his great aunt Marie-Jose when her daughter Maria Gabriella put them up for auction. Stephanie of Baden's gold and pearl tiara was not that expensive (250.000 euro i think). That would be the oldest piece of the collection. The Leuchtenberg diamond tiara got a bigger price so may have been out of the realm of options. That would depend on what happened to Boudewijn's wealth. He was said to be rather wealthy and we know he left part of his inheritance for a new monestary. If Philippe was another recipient he might very well have inherited a very nice sum of money while he lives of his dotation. In that case he could have afforded to buy more pieces. He and Mathilde will need more pieces once their daughters and in time daughters-in-law all attend formal events. As for older pieces im still hoping the emerald necklace/tiara of queen Astrid will reappear and the large emerald brooch/stomacher that belonged to Empress Carlotta of Mexico. It's a shame Leopold III did not leave his mother's grand tiara to Philippe. By the time he died it was clear Boudewijn would not have any offspring so the throne would end up with Philippe. He could even have provided a clause that the piece should remain with Lilian for the remainder of her life. The diamond and pearl circlet of the countess of Flanders is in the Albion collection so i don't see that piece coming up for auction again. Previous Message Johan , you are right no tiara was left after the two first Queens. Never in other Royal families, tiaras were lost or sold : We lost the Cartier tiara , Prince Charles Leuchtenberg tiara, Queen Astrid emerald tiara, Princess Lilian tiara , Queen Fabiola Spanish tiara. The oldest tiara is Queen Elisabeth Deco tiara worn now by Queen Paola. I know Clementine inherited some of the rubies but her daughter-in-law was never seen in them. I get the impression a lot has been dismantled or sold ages ago. Princess Alix does not seem to have a large collection and she has four children. French law would expect her to leave a quarter to each so even if she has a nice stash of jewels quite a few would be inherited by her daughters and younger son instead of her husband's heir (a grandson). Previous Message To me it is very important because it concerns a Daughter of King leopold II . The King had 3 daughters Louise who married Prince Philippe de Saxe Coburg had such a scandalous life that she lost all. Queens Eliabeth II and Camilla are wearing one of her jewels the sapphire and diamond tiara. Stephanie married Archduke Rodolphe. After She married Elemer Lonyay, his small nobility made Stephanie banned by Emperor François Joseph and her Father. She had a tiara and Choker from Chaumet stolen by the Bolcheviques. Now our Princess Chementine who has to wait her father's dead to marry Prince Victor Napoleon. They had two Childen, I spoke before. Princess Marie Clotilde Heirs sold on March 24th 2013 (Orsenat) Collection du Prince Victor et de la Princese Clementine de Belgigue 227 historic items . Among them the engagement ring of Empress Josephine , Bonaparte who was not rich bought a little toi et moi un diamond and sapphire , sold 900.000 euros. Endly Princess Alix Napoleon . With Prince Louis they had 4 Children and lived in Prangins (CH). A neighbour sold his house 20.000 millions. She is now 99 and owns historic items and jewels and we will see how much is left. I think she will give the most important part to His Grandson the Heir. The Widow of Prince Louis Napoleon , who is 99 is still living. Theylllibed i Pragins Princess Clementine is the only one who had jewels from the main line (King Leopold II). She married Prince Victor Napoleon and had two Children Louis Napoleon and Clothilde Comtesse Serge de Witt. They inherited her jewels.Princess Alix Napoleon is still living , she had a lot of jewels (alas some were stolen in Paris). What has she now ? A conclict Generation made her Grandson the Heir. His wife wore an Aoste jewel as tiara.

Spanish weddinggift tiara

Posted by Johan on August 6, 2025, 9:48 am, in reply to "Re: Oldest Belgian Royal tiara"

As the Spanish weddinggift tiara has not surfaced yet in any auction i have a theory that Queen Fabiola may have left it to prince Gabriel. Previous Message It's a shame Philippe did not buy any of the Belgian pieces of his great aunt Marie-Jose when her daughter Maria Gabriella put them up for auction. Stephanie of Baden's gold and pearl tiara was not that expensive (250.000 euro i think). That would be the oldest piece of the collection. The Leuchtenberg diamond tiara got a bigger price so may have been out of the realm of options. That would depend on what happened to Boudewijn's wealth. He was said to be rather wealthy and we know he left part of his inheritance for a new monestary. If Philippe was another recipient he might very well have inherited a very nice sum of money while he lives of his dotation. In that case he could have afforded to buy more pieces. He and Mathilde will need more pieces once their daughters and in time daughters-in-law all attend formal events. As for older pieces im still hoping the emerald necklace/tiara of queen Astrid will reappear and the large emerald brooch/stomacher that belonged to Empress Carlotta of Mexico. It's a shame Leopold III did not leave his mother's grand tiara to Philippe. By the time he died it was clear Boudewijn would not have any offspring so the throne would end up with Philippe. He could even have provided a clause that the piece should remain with Lilian for the remainder of her life. The diamond and pearl circlet of the countess of Flanders is in the Albion collection so i don't see that piece coming up for auction again. Previous Message Johan , you are right no tiara was left after the two first Queens. Never in other Royal families, tiaras were lost or sold : We lost the Cartier tiara , Prince Charles Leuchtenberg tiara, Queen Astrid emerald tiara, Princess Lilian tiara , Queen Fabiola Spanish tiara. The oldest tiara is Queen Elisabeth Deco tiara worn now by Queen Paola. I know Clementine inherited some of the rubies but her daughter-in-law was never seen in them. I get the impression a lot has been dismantled or sold ages ago. Princess Alix does not seem to have a large collection and she has four children. French law would expect her to leave a quarter to each so even if she has a nice stash of jewels quite a few would be inherited by her daughters and younger son instead of her husband's heir (a grandson). Previous Message To me it is very important because it concerns a Daughter of King leopold II . The King had 3 daughters Louise who married Prince Philippe de Saxe Coburg had such a scandalous life that she lost all. Queens Eliabeth II and Camilla are wearing one of her jewels the sapphire and diamond tiara. Stephanie married Archduke Rodolphe. After She married Elemer Lonyay, his small nobility made Stephanie banned by Emperor François Joseph and her Father. She had a tiara and Choker from Chaumet stolen by the Bolcheviques. Now our Princess Chementine who has to wait her father's dead to marry Prince Victor Napoleon. They had two Childen, I spoke before. Princess Marie Clotilde Heirs sold on March 24th 2013 (Orsenat) Collection du Prince Victor et de la Princese Clementine de Belgigue 227 historic items . Among them the engagement ring of Empress Josephine , Bonaparte who was not rich bought a little toi et moi un diamond and sapphire , sold 900.000 euros. Endly Princess Alix Napoleon . With Prince Louis they had 4 Children and lived in Prangins (CH). A neighbour sold his house 20.000 millions. She is now 99 and owns historic items and jewels and we will see how much is left. I think she will give the most important part to His Grandson the Heir. The Widow of Prince Louis Napoleon , who is 99 is still living. Theylllibed i Pragins Princess Clementine is the only one who had jewels from the main line (King Leopold II). She married Prince Victor Napoleon and had two Children Louis Napoleon and Clothilde Comtesse Serge de Witt. They inherited her jewels.Princess Alix Napoleon is still living , she had a lot of jewels (alas some were stolen in Paris). What has she now ? A conclict Generation made her Grandson the Heir. His wife wore an Aoste jewel as tiara.

Re: Oldest Belgian Royal tiara

Posted by Maria Olivia on August 6, 2025, 2:21 pm, in reply to "Re: Oldest Belgian Royal tiara"

For the State Visits no attendence of Princess Astrid and Prince Laurent anymore . Sad we should have seen their tiaras and they should receive minor Orders. I never understood why the main Branch did not buy the Auctionned Royal Jewels. Hate among our Royals is not over . Queen Paola will never give her Deco tiara to Queen Mathilde. I hope it will go to Princess Elisabeth and her two diamond necklaces to ¨Princesses Eleonore and Louise, and nothing for Astrid whose Husband owns the Aoste tiara. As for the spanish tiara , not seen since she passed away Fabiola's family perhaps dismantled it and share the stones . But her great aquamarines ???? Previous Message It's a shame Philippe did not buy any of the Belgian pieces of his great aunt Marie-Jose when her daughter Maria Gabriella put them up for auction. Stephanie of Baden's gold and pearl tiara was not that expensive (250.000 euro i think). That would be the oldest piece of the collection. The Leuchtenberg diamond tiara got a bigger price so may have been out of the realm of options. That would depend on what happened to Boudewijn's wealth. He was said to be rather wealthy and we know he left part of his inheritance for a new monestary. If Philippe was another recipient he might very well have inherited a very nice sum of money while he lives of his dotation. In that case he could have afforded to buy more pieces. He and Mathilde will need more pieces once their daughters and in time daughters-in-law all attend formal events. As for older pieces im still hoping the emerald necklace/tiara of queen Astrid will reappear and the large emerald brooch/stomacher that belonged to Empress Carlotta of Mexico. It's a shame Leopold III did not leave his mother's grand tiara to Philippe. By the time he died it was clear Boudewijn would not have any offspring so the throne would end up with Philippe. He could even have provided a clause that the piece should remain with Lilian for the remainder of her life. The diamond and pearl circlet of the countess of Flanders is in the Albion collection so i don't see that piece coming up for auction again. Previous Message Johan , you are right no tiara was left after the two first Queens. Never in other Royal families, tiaras were lost or sold : We lost the Cartier tiara , Prince Charles Leuchtenberg tiara, Queen Astrid emerald tiara, Princess Lilian tiara , Queen Fabiola Spanish tiara. The oldest tiara is Queen Elisabeth Deco tiara worn now by Queen Paola. I know Clementine inherited some of the rubies but her daughter-in-law was never seen in them. I get the impression a lot has been dismantled or sold ages ago. Princess Alix does not seem to have a large collection and she has four children. French law would expect her to leave a quarter to each so even if she has a nice stash of jewels quite a few would be inherited by her daughters and younger son instead of her husband's heir (a grandson). Previous Message To me it is very important because it concerns a Daughter of King leopold II . The King had 3 daughters Louise who married Prince Philippe de Saxe Coburg had such a scandalous life that she lost all. Queens Eliabeth II and Camilla are wearing one of her jewels the sapphire and diamond tiara. Stephanie married Archduke Rodolphe. After She married Elemer Lonyay, his small nobility made Stephanie banned by Emperor François Joseph and her Father. She had a tiara and Choker from Chaumet stolen by the Bolcheviques. Now our Princess Chementine who has to wait her father's dead to marry Prince Victor Napoleon. They had two Childen, I spoke before. Princess Marie Clotilde Heirs sold on March 24th 2013 (Orsenat) Collection du Prince Victor et de la Princese Clementine de Belgigue 227 historic items . Among them the engagement ring of Empress Josephine , Bonaparte who was not rich bought a little toi et moi un diamond and sapphire , sold 900.000 euros. Endly Princess Alix Napoleon . With Prince Louis they had 4 Children and lived in Prangins (CH). A neighbour sold his house 20.000 millions. She is now 99 and owns historic items and jewels and we will see how much is left. I think she will give the most important part to His Grandson the Heir. The Widow of Prince Louis Napoleon , who is 99 is still living. Theylllibed i Pragins Princess Clementine is the only one who had jewels from the main line (King Leopold II). She married Prince Victor Napoleon and had two Children Louis Napoleon and Clothilde Comtesse Serge de Witt. They inherited her jewels.Princess Alix Napoleon is still living , she had a lot of jewels (alas some were stolen in Paris). What has she now ? A conclict Generation made her Grandson the Heir. His wife wore an Aoste jewel as tiara.

Re: Oldest Belgian Royal tiara

Posted by JohnPete on August 7, 2025, 2:11 pm, in reply to "Re: Oldest Belgian Royal tiara"

Hate? Do tell… Previous Message Hate among our Royals is not over . Queen Paola will never give her Deco tiara to Queen Mathilde.

Re: Oldest Belgian Royal tiara

Posted by Maria Olivia on August 7, 2025, 2:38 pm, in reply to "Re: Oldest Belgian Royal tiara"

Hate between King Leopold II and his 2 first Daughters.(lost of part of Queen Marie Henriette jewels) Hate between Queen Elisabeth and her Son Charles Count of Flanders. After he has been an excellent Regent from 1945 to 1950, hate from Prince Charles and the whole Royal Family, giving his Leuchtenberg tiara to his Sister Marie José. Hate between the Castle of Laeken and the Castle Argenteuil and no show up anymore only for funerals.(lost of the Cartier tiara) Now between King Paola and Queen Mathilde , they don't like each other,(Deco tiara ??) Previous Message Hate? Do tell… Previous Message Hate among our Royals is not over . Queen Paola will never give her Deco tiara to Queen Mathilde.

Re: Oldest Belgian Royal tiara

Posted by Johan on August 8, 2025, 6:10 am, in reply to "Re: Oldest Belgian Royal tiara"

It's such a pity. If there had been a child of Boudewijn and Fabiola and the family relations had been better the Belgian Royal collection could have been quite impressive. Diamonds: Queen Elisabeth's Cartier tiara The Provinces tiara of Queen Astrid The Leuchtenberg diamonds tiara The Wolfers necklace tiara Queen Astrid's diamond riviere Queen Fabiola's diamond necklace Fabiola's diamond waterfall brooch Fabiola's diamond bracelets Fabiola's art deco diamond sautoire Fabiola's diamond daisy brooches By using the diamonds of the Provinces tiara in the Spanish weddinggift tiara they also would have had a diamond coronet/crown or a diamond floral tiara in it's other setting. Emeralds: Spanish weddinggift tiara Queen Astrid's emerald necklace/tiara Empress Carlotta's emerald brooch/stomacher emerald cabouchon drop earrings (worn by Lilian) Fabiola's Tunisian demi-parure Aquamarines: Spanish Weddinggift tiara Fabiola's 2 sets of aquamarine earrings Fabiola's aquamarine drop necklace The large aquamarine drop could be used as a pendant from a brooch Pearls: Diamond and pearl earrings of Fabiola Stockholm tiara of Astrid Diamond and pearl brooch of Elisabeth Fabiola's three strand pearl necklace. Potential additions: Stephanie of Baden's gold and pearl tiara Marie-Jose's matching earrings Countess of Flanders' turquoise demi parure By adding a few turquoises to the floral setting of the Spanish weddinggift tiara this could have made up another set. If you see what Mathilde and in time Elisabeth will have to settle for it's a shame. Previous Message Hate between King Leopold II and his 2 first Daughters.(lost of part of Queen Marie Henriette jewels) Hate between Queen Elisabeth and her Son Charles Count of Flanders. After he has been an excellent Regent from 1945 to 1950, hate from Prince Charles and the whole Royal Family, giving his Leuchtenberg tiara to his Sister Marie José. Hate between the Castle of Laeken and the Castle Argenteuil and no show up anymore only for funerals.(lost of the Cartier tiara) Now between King Paola and Queen Mathilde , they don't like each other,(Deco tiara ??) Previous Message Hate? Do tell… Previous Message Hate among our Royals is not over . Queen Paola will never give her Deco tiara to Queen Mathilde.

Re: Oldest Belgian Royal tiara

Posted by JohnPete on August 8, 2025, 7:08 am, in reply to "Re: Oldest Belgian Royal tiara"

Well, let’s not forget one of Paola’s modest diamond necklaces can be mounted on a tiara frame to be worn as a dainty tiara. It hasn’t been seen in that configuration since Paola started wearing her hair short in the 70s. Perhaps one of Mathilde’s daughters can be loaned it to wear, providing Granny doesn’t hate them. Previous Message It's such a pity. If there had been a child of Boudewijn and Fabiola and the family relations had been better the Belgian Royal collection could have been quite impressive. Diamonds: Queen Elisabeth's Cartier tiara The Provinces tiara of Queen Astrid The Leuchtenberg diamonds tiara The Wolfers necklace tiara Queen Astrid's diamond riviere Queen Fabiola's diamond necklace Fabiola's diamond waterfall brooch Fabiola's diamond bracelets Fabiola's art deco diamond sautoire Fabiola's diamond daisy brooches By using the diamonds of the Provinces tiara in the Spanish weddinggift tiara they also would have had a diamond coronet/crown or a diamond floral tiara in it's other setting. Emeralds: Spanish weddinggift tiara Queen Astrid's emerald necklace/tiara Empress Carlotta's emerald brooch/stomacher emerald cabouchon drop earrings (worn by Lilian) Fabiola's Tunisian demi-parure Aquamarines: Spanish Weddinggift tiara Fabiola's 2 sets of aquamarine earrings Fabiola's aquamarine drop necklace The large aquamarine drop could be used as a pendant from a brooch Pearls: Diamond and pearl earrings of Fabiola Stockholm tiara of Astrid Diamond and pearl brooch of Elisabeth Fabiola's three strand pearl necklace. Potential additions: Stephanie of Baden's gold and pearl tiara Marie-Jose's matching earrings Countess of Flanders' turquoise demi parure By adding a few turquoises to the floral setting of the Spanish weddinggift tiara this could have made up another set. If you see what Mathilde and in time Elisabeth will have to settle for it's a shame. Previous Message Hate between King Leopold II and his 2 first Daughters.(lost of part of Queen Marie Henriette jewels) Hate between Queen Elisabeth and her Son Charles Count of Flanders. After he has been an excellent Regent from 1945 to 1950, hate from Prince Charles and the whole Royal Family, giving his Leuchtenberg tiara to his Sister Marie José. Hate between the Castle of Laeken and the Castle Argenteuil and no show up anymore only for funerals.(lost of the Cartier tiara) Now between King Paola and Queen Mathilde , they don't like each other,(Deco tiara ??) Previous Message Hate? Do tell… Previous Message Hate among our Royals is not over . Queen Paola will never give her Deco tiara to Queen Mathilde.

Re: Oldest Belgian Royal tiara

Posted by Johan on August 8, 2025, 8:11 am, in reply to "Re: Oldest Belgian Royal tiara"

I left out Paola's jewels as in my scenario the Prince of Liege would never have succeeded and her jewels would have been part of the junior line of the Belgian Royal House. She does have some nice pieces but i can only speculate about who will get them in time. I'd love it if she left her main pieces to the children of Philippe but they are hers to leave so it will be her choice. Previous Message Well, let’s not forget one of Paola’s modest diamond necklaces can be mounted on a tiara frame to be worn as a dainty tiara. It hasn’t been seen in that configuration since Paola started wearing her hair short in the 70s. Perhaps one of Mathilde’s daughters can be loaned it to wear, providing Granny doesn’t hate them. Previous Message It's such a pity. If there had been a child of Boudewijn and Fabiola and the family relations had been better the Belgian Royal collection could have been quite impressive. Diamonds: Queen Elisabeth's Cartier tiara The Provinces tiara of Queen Astrid The Leuchtenberg diamonds tiara The Wolfers necklace tiara Queen Astrid's diamond riviere Queen Fabiola's diamond necklace Fabiola's diamond waterfall brooch Fabiola's diamond bracelets Fabiola's art deco diamond sautoire Fabiola's diamond daisy brooches By using the diamonds of the Provinces tiara in the Spanish weddinggift tiara they also would have had a diamond coronet/crown or a diamond floral tiara in it's other setting. Emeralds: Spanish weddinggift tiara Queen Astrid's emerald necklace/tiara Empress Carlotta's emerald brooch/stomacher emerald cabouchon drop earrings (worn by Lilian) Fabiola's Tunisian demi-parure Aquamarines: Spanish Weddinggift tiara Fabiola's 2 sets of aquamarine earrings Fabiola's aquamarine drop necklace The large aquamarine drop could be used as a pendant from a brooch Pearls: Diamond and pearl earrings of Fabiola Stockholm tiara of Astrid Diamond and pearl brooch of Elisabeth Fabiola's three strand pearl necklace. Potential additions: Stephanie of Baden's gold and pearl tiara Marie-Jose's matching earrings Countess of Flanders' turquoise demi parure By adding a few turquoises to the floral setting of the Spanish weddinggift tiara this could have made up another set. If you see what Mathilde and in time Elisabeth will have to settle for it's a shame. Previous Message Hate between King Leopold II and his 2 first Daughters.(lost of part of Queen Marie Henriette jewels) Hate between Queen Elisabeth and her Son Charles Count of Flanders. After he has been an excellent Regent from 1945 to 1950, hate from Prince Charles and the whole Royal Family, giving his Leuchtenberg tiara to his Sister Marie José. Hate between the Castle of Laeken and the Castle Argenteuil and no show up anymore only for funerals.(lost of the Cartier tiara) Now between King Paola and Queen Mathilde , they don't like each other,(Deco tiara ??) Previous Message Hate? Do tell… Previous Message Hate among our Royals is not over . Queen Paola will never give her Deco tiara to Queen Mathilde.

Re: Oldest Belgian Royal tiara

Posted by Maria Olivia on August 8, 2025, 1:47 pm, in reply to "Re: Oldest Belgian Royal tiara"

When Queen Paola will share her jewels among she wanted will be the end of the Saga of the lost Belgian Royal jewels. Queen Philippe and Queen Mathilde bought a great tiara for their her Daughter Elisabeth and the Queen bought two Broches , the daffodil and the antique sapphire Previous Message I left out Paola's jewels as in my scenario the Prince of Liege would never have succeeded and her jewels would have been part of the junior line of the Belgian Royal House. She does have some nice pieces but i can only speculate about who will get them in time. I'd love it if she left her main pieces to the children of Philippe but they are hers to leave so it will be her choice. Previous Message Well, let’s not forget one of Paola’s modest diamond necklaces can be mounted on a tiara frame to be worn as a dainty tiara. It hasn’t been seen in that configuration since Paola started wearing her hair short in the 70s. Perhaps one of Mathilde’s daughters can be loaned it to wear, providing Granny doesn’t hate them. Previous Message It's such a pity. If there had been a child of Boudewijn and Fabiola and the family relations had been better the Belgian Royal collection could have been quite impressive. Diamonds: Queen Elisabeth's Cartier tiara The Provinces tiara of Queen Astrid The Leuchtenberg diamonds tiara The Wolfers necklace tiara Queen Astrid's diamond riviere Queen Fabiola's diamond necklace Fabiola's diamond waterfall brooch Fabiola's diamond bracelets Fabiola's art deco diamond sautoire Fabiola's diamond daisy brooches By using the diamonds of the Provinces tiara in the Spanish weddinggift tiara they also would have had a diamond coronet/crown or a diamond floral tiara in it's other setting. Emeralds: Spanish weddinggift tiara Queen Astrid's emerald necklace/tiara Empress Carlotta's emerald brooch/stomacher emerald cabouchon drop earrings (worn by Lilian) Fabiola's Tunisian demi-parure Aquamarines: Spanish Weddinggift tiara Fabiola's 2 sets of aquamarine earrings Fabiola's aquamarine drop necklace The large aquamarine drop could be used as a pendant from a brooch Pearls: Diamond and pearl earrings of Fabiola Stockholm tiara of Astrid Diamond and pearl brooch of Elisabeth Fabiola's three strand pearl necklace. Potential additions: Stephanie of Baden's gold and pearl tiara Marie-Jose's matching earrings Countess of Flanders' turquoise demi parure By adding a few turquoises to the floral setting of the Spanish weddinggift tiara this could have made up another set. If you see what Mathilde and in time Elisabeth will have to settle for it's a shame. Previous Message Hate between King Leopold II and his 2 first Daughters.(lost of part of Queen Marie Henriette jewels) Hate between Queen Elisabeth and her Son Charles Count of Flanders. After he has been an excellent Regent from 1945 to 1950, hate from Prince Charles and the whole Royal Family, giving his Leuchtenberg tiara to his Sister Marie José. Hate between the Castle of Laeken and the Castle Argenteuil and no show up anymore only for funerals.(lost of the Cartier tiara) Now between King Paola and Queen Mathilde , they don't like each other,(Deco tiara ??) Previous Message Hate? Do tell… Previous Message Hate among our Royals is not over . Queen Paola will never give her Deco tiara to Queen Mathilde.

Re: Oldest Belgian Royal tiara

Posted by Hanken on August 9, 2025, 1:50 am, in reply to "Re: Oldest Belgian Royal tiara"

Let is hope But not agreeing with you closest relatives seems to be a part of royal life. Just consider what has happend through the centuries - not only in Belgium. I hope, as you mention, that it will stop with Queen Paola and they will build up a larger collection of jewels Previous Message When Queen Paola will share her jewels among she wanted will be the end of the Saga of the lost Belgian Royal jewels

Re: Oldest Belgian Royal tiara End

Posted by Maria Olivia on August 9, 2025, 11:04 am, in reply to "Re: Oldest Belgian Royal tiara"

Queen Elisabeth Widow since 3 months did not buy a jewel for Queen Astrid giving birth to Prince Albert in June 1934. She gave her own Deco tiara and the Royal who will wear it after Queen Paola will wear the oldest jewel of our Royal Family. Thanks to all. Previous Message Let is hope But not agreeing with you closest relatives seems to be a part of royal life. Just consider what has happend through the centuries - not only in Belgium. I hope, as you mention, that it will stop with Queen Paola and they will build up a larger collection of jewels Previous Message When Queen Paola will share her jewels among she wanted will be the end of the Saga of the lost Belgian Royal jewels

Fabiola vs Paola

Posted by JohnPete on August 10, 2025, 5:51 am, in reply to "Re: Oldest Belgian Royal tiara End"

Was there known to be animosity between Queen Fabiola and The Princess of Liège? Because The Wulfer’s necklace tiara and Tunisian bracelet and earrings were passed to Queen Mathilde, skipping Queen Paola. Unless Queen Fabiola left them to the royal House, to be worn by future Queens of The Belgians? Previous Message Queen Elisabeth Widow since 3 months did not buy a jewel for Queen Astrid giving birth to Prince Albert in June 1934. She gave her own Deco tiara and the Royal who will wear it after Queen Paola will wear the oldest jewel of our Royal Family. Thanks to all. Previous Message Let is hope But not agreeing with you closest relatives seems to be a part of royal life. Just consider what has happend through the centuries - not only in Belgium. I hope, as you mention, that it will stop with Queen Paola and they will build up a larger collection of jewels Previous Message When Queen Paola will share her jewels among she wanted will be the end of the Saga of the lost Belgian Royal jewels

Re: Fabiola vs Paola

Posted by Johan on August 11, 2025, 4:49 am, in reply to "Fabiola vs Paola"

Queen Fabiola lived into the reign of King Philippe so she left some of her jewels to the Queen-consort and not the Queen-mother. Previous Message Was there known to be animosity between Queen Fabiola and The Princess of Liège? Because The Wulfer’s necklace tiara and Tunisian bracelet and earrings were passed to Queen Mathilde, skipping Queen Paola. Unless Queen Fabiola left them to the royal House, to be worn by future Queens of The Belgians? Previous Message Queen Elisabeth Widow since 3 months did not buy a jewel for Queen Astrid giving birth to Prince Albert in June 1934. She gave her own Deco tiara and the Royal who will wear it after Queen Paola will wear the oldest jewel of our Royal Family. Thanks to all. Previous Message Let is hope But not agreeing with you closest relatives seems to be a part of royal life. Just consider what has happend through the centuries - not only in Belgium. I hope, as you mention, that it will stop with Queen Paola and they will build up a larger collection of jewels Previous Message When Queen Paola will share her jewels among she wanted will be the end of the Saga of the lost Belgian Royal jewels

Re: Fabiola vs Paola

Posted by John R on August 12, 2025, 4:48 am, in reply to "Re: Fabiola vs Paola"

I suspect Queen Fabiola would never have left her jewels to Paola even if she was still consort. The two were cordial at best. Never good friends. Different temperaments and interests. Paola and Albert were a jet set couple who made a public mess of their marriage and children something Fabiola and the King were horrified by. The jewels were Fabiola's to give. What happened to the Spanish Gift Tiara remains a mystery but there's always remains the slightest possibility that Fabiola left it to Elisabeth. If Mathilde recevied it (with almost all of her other jewels) we would have seen it or at least elements of it. The piece is very versatile. The coronet setting is a bit outdated and grand but for a wedding or when she's reigning... . The ' lower' setting with the leaves put together is stunning imho. However if either Mathilde or Elisabeth had it I would have thought we'd seen at least one of the elements as a brooch or something. The fact that Philippe and Mathilde bought this very dainty (affordable) Edwardian tiara might give us the strongest clue yet that the Spanish tiara is not in the mainline anymore. I hope I am wrong! I can't support the theory that Fabiola might have left the Spanish Gift tiara to her family. They have absolutely no use for it and I would think Fabiola would have thought it inappropriate to give such a lavish gift to family members who live relatively modest lives. Previous Message Queen Fabiola lived into the reign of King Philippe so she left some of her jewels to the Queen-consort and not the Queen-mother. Previous Message Was there known to be animosity between Queen Fabiola and The Princess of Liège? Because The Wulfer’s necklace tiara and Tunisian bracelet and earrings were passed to Queen Mathilde, skipping Queen Paola. Unless Queen Fabiola left them to the royal House, to be worn by future Queens of The Belgians? Previous Message Queen Elisabeth Widow since 3 months did not buy a jewel for Queen Astrid giving birth to Prince Albert in June 1934. She gave her own Deco tiara and the Royal who will wear it after Queen Paola will wear the oldest jewel of our Royal Family. Thanks to all. Previous Message Let is hope But not agreeing with you closest relatives seems to be a part of royal life. Just consider what has happend through the centuries - not only in Belgium. I hope, as you mention, that it will stop with Queen Paola and they will build up a larger collection of jewels Previous Message When Queen Paola will share her jewels among she wanted will be the end of the Saga of the lost Belgian Royal jewels

Re: Fabiola vs Paola

Posted by JohnPete on August 16, 2025, 9:11 am, in reply to "Re: Fabiola vs Paola"

was Paola indiscreet? Previous Message I suspect Queen Fabiola would never have left her jewels to Paola even if she was still consort. The two were cordial at best. Never good friends. Different temperaments and interests. Paola and Albert were a jet set couple who made a public mess of their marriage and children something Fabiola and the King were horrified by. The jewels were Fabiola's to give. What happened to the Spanish Gift Tiara remains a mystery but there's always remains the slightest possibility that Fabiola left it to Elisabeth. If Mathilde recevied it (with almost all of her other jewels) we would have seen it or at least elements of it. The piece is very versatile. The coronet setting is a bit outdated and grand but for a wedding or when she's reigning... . The ' lower' setting with the leaves put together is stunning imho. However if either Mathilde or Elisabeth had it I would have thought we'd seen at least one of the elements as a brooch or something. The fact that Philippe and Mathilde bought this very dainty (affordable) Edwardian tiara might give us the strongest clue yet that the Spanish tiara is not in the mainline anymore. I hope I am wrong! I can't support the theory that Fabiola might have left the Spanish Gift tiara to her family. They have absolutely no use for it and I would think Fabiola would have thought it inappropriate to give such a lavish gift to family members who live relatively modest lives. Previous Message Queen Fabiola lived into the reign of King Philippe so she left some of her jewels to the Queen-consort and not the Queen-mother. Previous Message Was there known to be animosity between Queen Fabiola and The Princess of Liège? Because The Wulfer’s necklace tiara and Tunisian bracelet and earrings were passed to Queen Mathilde, skipping Queen Paola. Unless Queen Fabiola left them to the royal House, to be worn by future Queens of The Belgians? Previous Message Queen Elisabeth Widow since 3 months did not buy a jewel for Queen Astrid giving birth to Prince Albert in June 1934. She gave her own Deco tiara and the Royal who will wear it after Queen Paola will wear the oldest jewel of our Royal Family. Thanks to all. Previous Message Let is hope But not agreeing with you closest relatives seems to be a part of royal life. Just consider what has happend through the centuries - not only in Belgium. I hope, as you mention, that it will stop with Queen Paola and they will build up a larger collection of jewels Previous Message When Queen Paola will share her jewels among she wanted will be the end of the Saga of the lost Belgian Royal jewels

Re: Fabiola vs Paola

Posted by John R on August 21, 2025, 4:04 am, in reply to "Re: Fabiola vs Paola"

In the highest circles in Belgium and beyond it was a public secret both had indiscretions. Alberts denial in later years that he fathered a daughter with his longtime mistress was ridiculous as the DNA test confirmed what everyone already knew. Paola played innocent from the time they were unexpectedly called to the throne. She was ill prepared... also jewel wise... Previous Message was Paola indiscreet? Previous Message I suspect Queen Fabiola would never have left her jewels to Paola even if she was still consort. The two were cordial at best. Never good friends. Different temperaments and interests. Paola and Albert were a jet set couple who made a public mess of their marriage and children something Fabiola and the King were horrified by. The jewels were Fabiola's to give. What happened to the Spanish Gift Tiara remains a mystery but there's always remains the slightest possibility that Fabiola left it to Elisabeth. If Mathilde recevied it (with almost all of her other jewels) we would have seen it or at least elements of it. The piece is very versatile. The coronet setting is a bit outdated and grand but for a wedding or when she's reigning... . The ' lower' setting with the leaves put together is stunning imho. However if either Mathilde or Elisabeth had it I would have thought we'd seen at least one of the elements as a brooch or something. The fact that Philippe and Mathilde bought this very dainty (affordable) Edwardian tiara might give us the strongest clue yet that the Spanish tiara is not in the mainline anymore. I hope I am wrong! I can't support the theory that Fabiola might have left the Spanish Gift tiara to her family. They have absolutely no use for it and I would think Fabiola would have thought it inappropriate to give such a lavish gift to family members who live relatively modest lives. Previous Message Queen Fabiola lived into the reign of King Philippe so she left some of her jewels to the Queen-consort and not the Queen-mother. Previous Message Was there known to be animosity between Queen Fabiola and The Princess of Liège? Because The Wulfer’s necklace tiara and Tunisian bracelet and earrings were passed to Queen Mathilde, skipping Queen Paola. Unless Queen Fabiola left them to the royal House, to be worn by future Queens of The Belgians? Previous Message Queen Elisabeth Widow since 3 months did not buy a jewel for Queen Astrid giving birth to Prince Albert in June 1934. She gave her own Deco tiara and the Royal who will wear it after Queen Paola will wear the oldest jewel of our Royal Family. Thanks to all. Previous Message Let is hope But not agreeing with you closest relatives seems to be a part of royal life. Just consider what has happend through the centuries - not only in Belgium. I hope, as you mention, that it will stop with Queen Paola and they will build up a larger collection of jewels Previous Message When Queen Paola will share her jewels among she wanted will be the end of the Saga of the lost Belgian Royal jewels