What I want are good Nova stories.
I want Richard back the way we loved him, too.
But I could also accept good Sam based Nova stories if they wrote good ones and grew his character into more of a hero.
: Don't get me wrong, I'm happy that RR is back
: - IF he's truly back in a meaningful role
: and THE, in the flesh, Nova Prime. If it's
: "ghost Rider" as the WM avatar,
: essentially being "banned
: acronym's" straight-man sidekick, I
: won't be happy he's back in THAT role and
: I'll go after such a book just like I have
: every other "banned acronym" book
: - with an axe.
: Supporting "banned acronym" in any
: way sends Marvel the wrong message. It says
: that under certain conditions, they can get
: what they really want - "banned
: acronym" being the only "Lone
: Ranger" "Nova" in the MU with
: our full monetary support.
: That's one of the reasons they keep giving
: "banned acronym" second chances.
: They're searching for the right formula to
: sell the whiny little b###h and they think
: they can count on the zombie buyer gene
: among Rider fans to increase sales.
: Much has been made of the term
: "featuring Rich Rider" on other
: websites with some writers interpreting that
: to mean co-star and only a few thinking Rich
: is the headliner.
: What does it mean? I don't know for sure. It
: could mean anything. I doubt it means
: headline. Let's say it means co-star. Does
: that mean 50-50? Or more likely, 1 Rich
: story for every 7 NINO stories? Or does
: "ghost Rider" just make a few
: cameo appearances? I guess we'll find out in
: a few weeks.
: I have been criticized for taking too hard a
: line on this, but what I'm seeing is such
: hunger for Rich that even loyal fans are
: willing to accept anything that has him in
: it even minutely (such as "ghost
: Rider" being "banned
: acronym's" sidekick). That's not really
: getting RR back. That's just a Brevoort and
: Alonso gimmick to sell "banned
: Marvel hasn't even acknowledged RR's 40th
: Anniversary in any way. Does that send a
: message that they care about RR or his fans
: or are in any way interested in selling RR?
: No, it doesn't. They've ignored that
: obvious marketing strategy not because
: they're bad marketers, but because they
: don't care to sell the Rider product.
: Brevoort and Wacker and Loeb basically said
: from the beginning of "banned
: acronym's" run that we either buy
: "banned acronym" or they'll stop
: producing Nova products. I'm fine with this
: editorial and "creative" (I use
: the term loosely) team NOT producing Nova
: products. Wacker even mocked the zombie
: buyer gene, telling us that we'd still buy
: every issue of "banned acronym"
: even though we protested their elimination
: of RR. Guess we (well - most of us) proved
: him wrong.
: I agree that it remains to be seen, but at
: this point I no sea change here. They still
: want to sell "banned acronym."
: They're just trying to find a way to make us
: buy "banned acronym." That's why
: it's important RIGHT NOW before this new
: book starts to send a strong message that we
: WON'T accept a farcical "banned
: acronym"-centric Nova-verse. A serious
: Rider-centric Nova-verse or nothing!
: --Previous Message--
: Above all, I love Marvel Comics and while I
: think boycotts and fan-wars have a firm
: place when called for, the goal was to
: always get Rich back and to move onward
: reading Marvel comics again. The past is all
: real, and guys like TL are not wrong, but
: Rich is back.
: This was always about bringing back Richard
: Rider...so I think as fans, we seem like
: real irrational white noise if we hit this
: crazed panic button already. Already calling
: for a boycott without a lick of a notion
: what the hell the book is. It’s not
: As a fan I recognize I don’t have creative
: control of a property, yet we do have a
: power and responsibility to provide feedback
: and action based on what we see. That is
: some power, and I think we should use it
: wisely. Sure, Marvel was unreasonable with
: us. Nova was a good book that deserved
: better. But that doesn’t change how I act.
: I always wanted Marvel to see my input,
: fandom, criticism as worthwhile and
: constructive even if we don’t see eye to
: eye. I wanted them to feel like there is a
: benefit to appeasing my opinions because
: they are fair, clear and based on logic. In
: turn, if they fix what is broken, I will
: sample the product and perhaps even a loyal
: regular buyer. Therefore, my buying habits
: are based on reason and logic.
: The consequences for not being like this are
: that we, that is Rich Rider fans or Cosmic
: fans, do really become that "internet
: white noise". We have to keep
: I think it’s clear Richard Rider is
: back...I'm happy, grateful and excited to
: see what comes next. Did I mention wary?
: Because I’m certainly that too. Still, many
: of the theories that surrounding his status
: and who will have more page time in this new
: book are NOT based on much actual proof or
: facts other than the concession that Marvel
: is still (mostly) screwed up everywhere
: I’m not sure where things changed and we
: needed Sam Alexander to be killed off as
: well. This was about Rich. I’m open to new
: things as well…Annihilation and Giffen’s
: stuff was new things. The New Warriors were
: new things….etc..
: Let’s just take a refresher on a couple
: simple points:
: Annihilation happened in a real down point
: for me in Marvel lore. I hated Civil War,
: thought the whole line was shot and despised
: the crude antics of then EiC Joe Quesada.
: Starlin leaves Marvel in anger. Then I see
: Nova used in the dreadful Skottie Young
: stuff…the New Warriors killed off….horrid.
: Right away the Nova series is written by
: “unremarkable” journeymen comic writers who
: came from DC…and there was weird stuff right
: away. Scott Kollins art looked weird,
: Richard Rider was being treated like a
: cherry newbie, they brought back Xandar
: again? They kill off Quasar! But yeah…that
: worked out.
: Not to mention RR during during Fabnic
: New Warriors book…calling him “Kid Nova”,
: dreadful costumes each week, ham fisting
: some excuse where he still had his powers,
: and basically running around and avoiding
: any tie in to Wolfman Nova Volume 1
: storylines for years. Recall how long it was
: till they even went into Xandar and the
: Then there was Sam. I was receptive to check
: it out. Frankly, there was a lot that looked
: good right away. I mean remember how they
: tricked us with Diamondhead and Terrax?
: Turns out, it stunk. The crowd screaming for
: boycotts and rejections like TL were
: right…however I don’t regret for one instant
: that I held a wait and see attitude and at
: least tried it out. I don’t have any regrets
: about coming to the same conclusion
: Loveness has written like nine total comic
: books before. I think we owe him a look.
: I’m not saying this stuff will be good.
: Maybe it will all suck. Maybe TL will be
: right on again. But, above all, I am gonna
: stay true to my word and who I am. I’m going
: to properly review the work, give it a
: chance and see how it is. In other words;
: act reasonable.
: Fact is, I’m not an angry and sour guy, and
: I want to be happy and read goddamn solid
: comics. I am happy Rich’s back and we can
: all move on together.
: --Previous Message--
: I missed it too. Doesn't bother me, since I
: come on here to talk about my excitement,
: and share that with others, not to read
: personal flame wars. Hopefully whatever
: caused Nova64 to delete a thread and post
: that message is done for good and we can all
: move on to happier days and good
: I know some fans don't share the same likes
: and dislikes, and that's okay. I'm pretty
: open about the state of Nova comics as long
: as Rich is involved. I don't hate on Sam,
: and I've always said a teacher/student
: relationship with Rich and Sam would be
: pretty cool. (Like a Batman/Robin thing.)
: the only thing that never sat right with me
: was Marvel actually killing off Richard.
: There wasn't any reason for it and they
: could've done the whole Sam thing with Rich
: being off on missions away in space the
: whole time. Now that he's back, I've got
: what I wanted and I'll support the book in
: any way I can. I'm also hoping a Pop! RR
: Nova Prime figure comes out thanks to Rich
: being back. That'd go great with my other
: RR figures!
: Anyway, I can't wait for the new series to
: drop and see where things go from here! I'm
: like you, I haven't been this excited in
: --Previous Message--
: I'm really glad he's back too.
: This is Rich Rider...and he is head lining
: the next book.
: I guess I missed some battle, but really
: looking forward to checking out some books
: again. Hopefully it's a solid book.
: --Previous Message--
: 100% agreed!
: --Previous Message--
: Richard Rider is back, alive, in the Marvel
: That is good enough for me to be happy.
: And, frankly, the idea of Richard Rider
: acting in a mentor role to a younger Sam
: Alexander really does seem to have a lot of
: story potential.
: I am happier about the state of Nova than I
: have been for a long time.
: Others may disagree but I am happy to see
: him alive, well, and on paper.
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