Re: comparison turquoise necklaces and tiara Archived Message
Posted by Maria Olivia on June 28, 2012, 6:37 am, in reply to "Re: comparison turquoise necklaces and tiara"
Does that mean that the late Grand Duchess inherited turquoise jewels from her great Grand mother Flanders ? --Previous Message-- : The Belgian turquoise necklace is now for sale : at SJ Philips, so there is no possibility : that it is owned by the Grand-Duchess. : : : http://www.sjphillips.com/19th-century-turquoise-and-diamond-parure-comprising-fringe-necklace-pair-bracelets-forming-choker-pendant-brooch-and-pair-pendants-DesktopDefault.aspx?tabid=6&tabindex=5&objectid=220506&categoryid=2055 : : What's more, comparing the Grand-Duchess : large turquoise necklace to the Baden : necklace, it is clear that although having : similar elements that they are different : pieces. : : For example in the Baden necklace, the : palmette motifs contain a large turquoise : stone, whereas in the Grand-duchess's : necklace con taints all diamond motifs. Also : the whole chain is different, whereas the : grand-duchess's large necklace contains : turquoise and diamond clusters separated by : diamond collets; whereas in the Baden : necklace, the clusters are separated by : turquoise stones. : : Not to mention the countless additional : pendants. : : Thus these two necklaces are totally : different, and it is my belief that the : Baden necklace was never purchased for the : Grand-Duchal collection, and should thus be : dismissed from future discussion. : : I believe above there has been discussed : four totally different pieces, that are in : no way connected: : : 1) The Baden Turquoise Necklace : 2) The Grand-Duchess's Large Turquoise : Necklace : 3) The Grand-Duchess's Small Turquoise : Necklace : 4) The Grand-Duchess's Turquoise Tiara : : (And also the Belgian Turquoise necklace was : briefly mentioned). : : --Previous Message-- : Your close ups are fantastic as always : Tamara! : And I still say the Baden necklace is the : one GD Maria Teresa wore in Brussels in : April 2007 but remodeled. : On your last close up it is clearer : you : can perfectly distinguish the palmettes : dangling with some remodeling : two small : pendants added on each side of the palmette : on the central motif while on the following : one, on both side, they receive one larger : pendant upon each palmette. : : Now having seen the belgian turquoise : necklace you posted above (from Countess of : Flanders provenance), I'm pretty sure it is : GD Maria Teresa's one which was worn on : Finnish State Visit (2008 if I recall : correctly). If you put the girandole pendant : of the brooch dangling on the necklace, it : fits perfectly. This necklace was auctionned : the year before rather by Pss Maria : Gabriella of Savoy. Some of its stones could : have been constitute the current GD tiara in : addition of some of the Baden necklace. : : : : : : Thus in conclusion, my theory if I may say : so is : all the turquoises belonging to the : Countess of Flanders are now in the GD of : Luxembourg vault. : : --Previous Message-- : Radama...yes, the tear shape turquoise : surrounded with diamonds is : "similar" design but not : identical...I am referring to your scan of : the Baden turquoise necklace and turquoise : tiara worn by GD. : : Here is your scan rotated to see how it : would look as a tiara...and I can clearly : see that both jewels cannot be compared : because Baden design looks much older (more : refined)in its design than the one worn by : GD. : : : : Honestly, the Baden necklace has interesting : similarities with the Belgien turquoise : parure that was given to Maria Pia of Savoy, : which is now with SJ Phillips awaiting for : its new owner. : : : As far as this turquoise necklace is : concerned (the clearest picture I have), : this is totally different necklace. To me it : looks like British version of diamond : necklace of Queen Alexandra, where the : pieces were removed to make earrings, which : is now with Queen Sonja. (I am gong off : topic now lol)...You can almost remove : second element pieces (2 turquoise on top of : another) and use them as earrings... : : what I am trying to say is that, this : necklace is NOT the same as the one GD wore : as tiara and necklace...as I agree with : Boris, we are talking about 4 different : jewels that have no connection. : : : : : --Previous Message-- : I may be wrong but I don't agree with you : Boris. I explain it : : IMO the setting of the oval-shape pendants : on the Baden necklace are identical to those : of the tiara and the stones are of the same : size. Idem for the smaller turquoises and : the rounds ones. : : Indeed there are more stones in the tiara : but I think they could have been added and : the Baden necklace is not seen in its whole : part (see the picture I scanned for my first : post). : But above all, just my guesses. : : --Previous Message-- : Radama, that's an interesting theory, but: : - Only three pendants of the Baden necklace : resemble the design of the setting of all : the turquoises in the tiara : - The necklace does have larger and less : turquoises than the tiara : - There's no evidence that the Luxembourg : Grand ducal family bought the Baden necklace : in the first place : - I don't see the connection between tiara : and GD Maria Theresa's grand necklace : either, because the turquoises in the motifs : removed when the necklace was worn in its : shorter version are indeed larger than the : ones in the tiara - see Tamara's post above. : : In other words, I'm sorry but I don't think : that your theory is correct. : IMO, the tiara, GD Maria Teresa's necklace : and the Baden necklace are three different : pieces. : : : : : : : : :
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