Re: comparison turquoise necklaces and tiara Archived Message
Posted by Johan on June 28, 2012, 3:00 pm, in reply to "Re: comparison turquoise necklaces and tiara"
I don't think the grandduchess is wearing any of the turquoise pieces once owned by the Countess of Flanders. The necklace Marie inherited from her grandmother Stephanie de Beauharnais went to Henriette of Belgium, Duchess of Vendome. One of her descendants put it for sale a few years ago. It has some features that are similar to the necklace of the Grandduchess but as was pointed they are not the same. Princess Marie-José also had a convertable necklace/bandeau with earrings, two bracelets and a brooch. This is the one still for sale a Philips. Marie-José inherited several pieces from her grandmother the countess of Flanders among them the pearl tiara and earrings once owned by Stephanie de Beauharnais. She also received the turquoise (demi-)parure but i don't know if it was given by her grandmother or by her parents. Another jewel with Beauharnais connections that ended up with Marie-José and was auctioned off, was the Leuchtenberg diamond tiara. This piece was owned by the younger brother of the Italian queen, Charles count of Flanders who acted as regent for his brother after WWII. She must have inherited it when he passed away in the 80's. The tiara was never worn in public by the Queen or any of the Savoy princesses so it was a surprise when it showed up at auction. Unfortunately it wasn't bought by the Belgian Royals. In my view the tiara would have been a stunning gift for princess Elisabeth when she turns 18 and HM would have looked very fine with the pearl Beauharnais tiara and earrings. The Duchess of Brabant could do with the turquoise splash of colour in her jewelbox. At least for that last piece there is still an option for it being bought for a Belgian Royal. The tiara and earrings are now in the Castle at Manheim that Stephanie de Beauharnais resided at so won't be worn again. If i remember correctly the Leuchtenberg Tiara was sold to an Asian buyer. --Previous Message-- : Does that mean that the late Grand Duchess : inherited turquoise jewels from her great : Grand mother Flanders ? : : --Previous Message-- : The Belgian turquoise necklace is now for : sale : at SJ Philips, so there is no possibility : that it is owned by the Grand-Duchess. : : : : http://www.sjphillips.com/19th-century-turquoise-and-diamond-parure-comprising-fringe-necklace-pair-bracelets-forming-choker-pendant-brooch-and-pair-pendants-DesktopDefault.aspx?tabid=6&tabindex=5&objectid=220506&categoryid=2055 : : What's more, comparing the Grand-Duchess : large turquoise necklace to the Baden : necklace, it is clear that although having : similar elements that they are different : pieces. : : For example in the Baden necklace, the : palmette motifs contain a large turquoise : stone, whereas in the Grand-duchess's : necklace con taints all diamond motifs. Also : the whole chain is different, whereas the : grand-duchess's large necklace contains : turquoise and diamond clusters separated by : diamond collets; whereas in the Baden : necklace, the clusters are separated by : turquoise stones. : : Not to mention the countless additional : pendants. : : Thus these two necklaces are totally : different, and it is my belief that the : Baden necklace was never purchased for the : Grand-Duchal collection, and should thus be : dismissed from future discussion. : : I believe above there has been discussed : four totally different pieces, that are in : no way connected: : : 1) The Baden Turquoise Necklace : 2) The Grand-Duchess's Large Turquoise : Necklace : 3) The Grand-Duchess's Small Turquoise : Necklace : 4) The Grand-Duchess's Turquoise Tiara : : (And also the Belgian Turquoise necklace was : briefly mentioned). : : --Previous Message-- : Your close ups are fantastic as always : Tamara! : And I still say the Baden necklace is the : one GD Maria Teresa wore in Brussels in : April 2007 but remodeled. : On your last close up it is clearer : you : can perfectly distinguish the palmettes : dangling with some remodeling : two small : pendants added on each side of the palmette : on the central motif while on the following : one, on both side, they receive one larger : pendant upon each palmette. : : Now having seen the belgian turquoise : necklace you posted above (from Countess of : Flanders provenance), I'm pretty sure it is : GD Maria Teresa's one which was worn on : Finnish State Visit (2008 if I recall : correctly). If you put the girandole pendant : of the brooch dangling on the necklace, it : fits perfectly. This necklace was auctionned : the year before rather by Pss Maria : Gabriella of Savoy. Some of its stones could : have been constitute the current GD tiara in : addition of some of the Baden necklace. : : : : : : Thus in conclusion, my theory if I may say : so is : all the turquoises belonging to the : Countess of Flanders are now in the GD of : Luxembourg vault. : : --Previous Message-- : Radama...yes, the tear shape turquoise : surrounded with diamonds is : "similar" design but not : identical...I am referring to your scan of : the Baden turquoise necklace and turquoise : tiara worn by GD. : : Here is your scan rotated to see how it : would look as a tiara...and I can clearly : see that both jewels cannot be compared : because Baden design looks much older (more : refined)in its design than the one worn by : GD. : : : : Honestly, the Baden necklace has interesting : similarities with the Belgien turquoise : parure that was given to Maria Pia of Savoy, : which is now with SJ Phillips awaiting for : its new owner. : : : As far as this turquoise necklace is : concerned (the clearest picture I have), : this is totally different necklace. To me it : looks like British version of diamond : necklace of Queen Alexandra, where the : pieces were removed to make earrings, which : is now with Queen Sonja. (I am gong off : topic now lol)...You can almost remove : second element pieces (2 turquoise on top of : another) and use them as earrings... : : what I am trying to say is that, this : necklace is NOT the same as the one GD wore : as tiara and necklace...as I agree with : Boris, we are talking about 4 different : jewels that have no connection. : : : : : --Previous Message-- : I may be wrong but I don't agree with you : Boris. I explain it : : IMO the setting of the oval-shape pendants : on the Baden necklace are identical to those : of the tiara and the stones are of the same : size. Idem for the smaller turquoises and : the rounds ones. : : Indeed there are more stones in the tiara : but I think they could have been added and : the Baden necklace is not seen in its whole : part (see the picture I scanned for my first : post). : But above all, just my guesses. : : --Previous Message-- : Radama, that's an interesting theory, but: : - Only three pendants of the Baden necklace : resemble the design of the setting of all : the turquoises in the tiara : - The necklace does have larger and less : turquoises than the tiara : - There's no evidence that the Luxembourg : Grand ducal family bought the Baden necklace : in the first place : - I don't see the connection between tiara : and GD Maria Theresa's grand necklace : either, because the turquoises in the motifs : removed when the necklace was worn in its : shorter version are indeed larger than the : ones in the tiara - see Tamara's post above. : : In other words, I'm sorry but I don't think : that your theory is correct. : IMO, the tiara, GD Maria Teresa's necklace : and the Baden necklace are three different : pieces. : : : : : : : : : : :
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- Re: comparison - Tamara June 27, 2012, 1:11 pm
- comparison turquoise necklaces and tiara - Radama June 27, 2012, 9:30 pm
- Re: comparison turquoise necklaces and tiara - Boffer June 27, 2012, 10:19 pm
- Re: comparison turquoise necklaces and tiara - Johan June 28, 2012, 2:09 am
- Re: comparison turquoise necklaces and tiara - Boris June 28, 2012, 3:09 am
- Re: comparison turquoise necklaces and tiara - Maria Olivia June 28, 2012, 6:37 am
- Re: comparison turquoise necklaces and tiara - Johan June 28, 2012, 3:00 pm
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- Re: comparison turquoise necklaces and tiara - Lorenzo June 28, 2012, 12:21 pm
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