Re: From the Library of Congress Collection........ Archived Message
Posted by Dawn  on September 9, 2012, 5:48 pm, in reply to "Re: From the Library of Congress Collection........"
This is only a guess that may be right or wrong. Leslie Field's book titled "The Jewels of Queen Elizabeth II" (the picture is on page 15) (pub. in 1992) did not completely identify as far as I could tell throughout the book, these two "brooches" shown below. I wonder perhaps either brooch could be the Duke of York's wedding present of "an open-petalled rose in pearls and diamonds" as described in "The Evening World" (NYC, NY) dated July 6, 1893.
The whole picture (on page 15 in Leslie Field's book, pub. 1992):
Either may be a possible match to the description in that newspaper or NOT at all:
(zoomed up from the above picture)
This one does have some pearls and diamonds.
Or this one (attached to the central part of Mary's "Ladies of England" necklace/tiara:
(this also has some pearls and diamonds)
Like I said earlier that either of these may not be a match...
Also, I wonder if that new book many of you have bought earlier this spring may have some information re: the Duke of York's gift to his bride. (the book "The Queen's Diamonds" or something similar)
--Previous Message--
: Dear Dawn,
:
: Thank you for these information.
:
: Just a question what is the open-petalled
: rose in pearls and diamonds from the Duke of
: York. Is it a an hair ornament ?
:
: Could it be the aigrette with pear-shaped
: pearls and diamonds in the form of a bouquet
: of forget-me knots on Ursula's site ?
:
: It would be interesting to know its origin.
:
: Franck
:
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: --Previous Message--
: First of all, I was not able to find more
: information through the Library of Congress
: newspaper collection about the Ladies of
: England and County of Surrey
: necklace/tiaras.
:
: However, I found some other related
: information.
:
: Firstly, about the then-Duchess of York's
: wedding gifts, here's the information:
:
: [source: "The Evening World" (NYC,
: NY) dated July 6, 1893]
:
: ***from the Duke of York, the bride received
: a open-petalled rose in pearls and diamonds
: as well as a five-row pearl necklace to
: match.
:
: ***from the Duke and Duchess of Teck, the
: bride got a tiara, a necklet and a brooch of
: turquoises and diamonds.
:
: ***from the Princess of Wales (later Queen
: Alexandra), the bride received jewelry and
: precious stones worth $1,250,000 (in that
: year's value....not today's). Unfortunately,
: the newspaper did not specifically identify
: any jewel item from this gift.
:
: Secondly, from this source 'The Anaconda
: Standard' [Anaconda, Montana] dated July
: 9th, 1893, the bride received from the city
: of London these two items:
:
: ***a diamond bracelet worth 900 pounds
: (English money) and a silver dinner service
: worth 1,600 pounds (English money).
:
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: *************************************************
:
: Now with a focus on guests who attended the
: Devonshire House Ball on July 2nd, 1897
: (from this source of "New York
: Tribune" [NYC] dated July 3rd, 1897):
:
:
: **The Duke of Devonshire (host)
: **The Duchess of Devonshire (hostess)
:
: **The Prince of Wales (later King Edward
: VII)
: **The Princess of Wales (later Queen
: Alexandra)
: **The Duke of York (later King George V)
: **The Duchess of York (later Queen Mary)
: **The Duke of Connaught
: **The Duchess of Connaught
: **Prince Charles of Denmark
: **Prince Christian (of Schleswig-Holstein, I
: assume)
: **Princess Victoria of Schleswig-Holstein
: **Colonel Hay (U.S. Ambassador to Great
: Britain)
: **Mrs. Hay
: **Lord Roseberry
: **Arthur Balfour
: **Mr. Asquith
: **Sir Horace Farquhar
: **The Countess of Warwick (as a lady of the
: Marie Antionette period)
: **Lady Tweedmouth (in an Elizabethan
: costume)
: **The Duke of Marlborough
: **The Duchess of Marlborough (dressed in
: white with emeralds and diamonds in the
: period of Louis XV)
: **The Duchess of Portland (clothed in the
: period of Louis XIII)
: **Lady William Beresford
: **Mrs. George Curzon
: **Mrs. Ogden Goelet (in white with diamond
: crescent and diamond stars)
: **Lord Charles Montague
: **Lord Crewe
: **Lord Stanley
: **Lady Mar
: **Lady St. Osborne
: **Lady de Grey
: **The Marquess San Vito
: **Lord Latham
: **The Marquise Hautpoul
: **Lady Cynthia Graham
: **Mrs. Rothschild
: **Comte de Mensdorf
: **The Earl of Durham (dressed as King Philip
: of Spain)
:
: Absent from this party were:
:
: **Families of Lord Chesham and the Duke of
: Westminster because of the accidental (with
: a pony) death of 9-year-old daughter of Lord
: Chesham.
:
: Note: if anyone is curious about Lord
: Chesham's daughter's death, see this link
: further down under Lord Chesham's
: name.....he himself also died in the riding
: accident in 1907:
:
: http://www.leighrayment.com/peers/peersC3.htm
:
:
: The Prince of Wales (later Edward VII) was
: dressed as Knight Hospitaller of Malta in
: black velvet with Maltese Crosses in white
: satin on his cloak and a satin brocade
: doublet. Velvet trunks slashed with black
: satin and high crowned hat with a large
: Maltese cross in diamonds in front and white
: ostrich plumes at the back. Around the hat
: was a silver chain. He also wore high boots
: which matched his costume.
:
:
:
: --Previous Message--
: Boffer,
:
: Thank you for these details. I will look up
: in the Library of Congress newspaper
: collection to see if there was any mention
: of either wedding gift the future Queen Mary
: got in 1893. I am curious if it could come
: up with details regarding the Devonshire
: House Ball.
:
: So Queen Mary was the only person in the
: Royal Family to have used both
: necklace/tiaras, then, and that those items
: were completely dismantled long before the
: end of reign of her husband.
:
: --Previous Message--
: Both 'Queen Mary's Ladies of England
: Necklace/Tiara' and 'Queen Mary's County of
: Surrey Necklace/Tiara' have been dismantled.
:
: Here are highly detailed and referenced
: notes in regards to each of these pieces.
:
: Queen Mary’s Ladies of England
: Necklace/Tiara
:
: This jewel was a wedding gift to Queen
: Mary in 1893 from “650 Ladies of
: England”,[1] and was made in Hunt and
: Roskell.[2] It was described in The Times,
: as a “pearl and diamond ornament … made up
: of scrolls wrought in diamonds over
: fleur-de-lis in larger stones. From each
: group hangs a drop-pearl, that falling from
: the centre cluster being fully an inch in
: length”.[3] It was exhibited at the
: Imperial Institute among some of her other
: wedding gifts, as photographed in The
: Graphic.[4] It was presented to Queen Mary
: on 24 June 1893, at 19, Ennismore Gardens by
: “the Ladies’ Committee”.[5]
:
: It was designed to be worn both as a
: tiara,[6] as a necklace,[7] and as a
: bandeau to trim the corsage of a gown, as it
: was worn to the Devonshire House Ball in
: 1897;[8] and it could also be detached “so
: as to be converted into several smaller
: ornaments”.[9] It was featured in Volume I
: of Queen Mary’s Photographic jewellery
: inventory,[10] and Queen Mary also kept a
: record of all the 650 ladies who had
: subscribed to the gift in a special
: presentation volume.[11]
:
: Queen Mary wrote to Lady Elizabeth
: Biddulph in June 1893, asking her to “accept
: and convey to the ladies of England my
: grateful thanks for the very beautiful
: necklace”.[12] She also wrote a letter to
: Lady Eva Greville in July of that year, in
: which she described the tiara as one of her
: “most valued wedding gifts as a precious
: proof of your good will and affection”.[13]
:
: However, by 1913 the decision was taken
: to dismantle this tiara. “12 pearl drops”
: from this tiara,[14] and the majority of
: the diamonds were used to create ‘Queen
: Mary’s Lover’s Knot Tiara’.[15] With the
: remaining “33 brilliants and 3 rose
: diamonds” being used to create ‘Queen Mary’s
: Greek Tiara’.[16]
:
: NOTES
: 1. Bow Bells, 7 July 1893, p. 32
: 2. Hugh Roberts, The Queen’s Diamonds,
: (London: Royal Collection Publications,
: 2012), p. 182
: 3. The Times, 24 June 1893, p. 14
: 4. The Graphic, 15 July 1893, p. 88
: 5. The Times, 28 June 1893, p. 10
: 6. Suzy Menkes, The Royal Jewels, (London:
: Grafton Books, 1985), p. 65; James
: Pope-Hennessy, Queen Mary, (London: George
: Allen and Unwin Ltd., 1959), pl. 21
: 7. Roberts, The Queen’s Diamonds, p. 146
: (RCIN 2808111)
: 8. Roberts, The Queen’s Diamonds, p. 138
: (RCIN 4926140)
: 9. The Times, 24 June 1893, p. 14
: 10. Roberts, The Queen’s Diamonds, p. 113;
: RA QM/PRIV/CC93, pl. 1, no. 6
: 11. Roberts, The Queen’s Diamonds, p. 182;
: RA QM/PRIV/CC64
: 12. The Times, 28 June 1893, p. 10
: 13. The Times, 10 July 1893, p. 6
: 14. Roberts, The Queen’s Diamonds, p. 182
: 15. Roberts, The Queen’s Diamonds, p. 182;
: GA Garrard RL3, fol. 94, 23 January 1914
: 16. Roberts, The Queen’s Diamonds, p. 164;
: GA Garrard RL3, fol. 95, 21 April 1914
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: Queen Mary's County of Surrey
: Necklace/Tiara
:
: This tiara was a wedding-gift to Queen
: Mary in 1893 from the County of Surrey, and
: was presented to her by the Earl of
: Lovelace, in his capacity as Lord-Lieutenant
: of the county. It was described in The Times
: as being a tiara “composed entirely of
: brilliants of large size and … convertible
: at will into a necklace”.[1]
:
: It was illustrated among her wedding
: gifts in the Illustrated London News,[2]
: and was exhibited at the Imperial Institute
: among the three tiaras that featured in the
: exhibition of the wedding-gifts TRHs had
: received; a photograph from this exhibition
: featured in The Graphic.[3] This tiara also
: features in Queen Mary’s photographic
: jewellery inventory.[4]
:
: This piece was photographed being worn as
: a necklace, along with ‘Queen Mary’s
: Boucheron Loop Tiara’,[5] by W & D
: Downey, to mark the visit of the then Prince
: and Princess of Wales to India between 1905
: and 1906.[6] It was also photographed being
: worn as a tiara by Queen Mary with ‘Queen
: Mary’s Kapurthala Stomacher’.[7]
:
: It was dismantled in 1913, with the
: biggest “13 large brilliants” being used
: “furnish tops to [Queen Mary's] Girls of
: Great Britain [and Ireland] Tiara in place
: of pearls”, for the cost of £34.[8]
:
: The rest of the stones were used to
: create a new “Greek honeysuckle pattern
: Tiara”, ‘Queen Mary’s Greek Tiara’.[9]
:
: NOTES
:
: 1. The Times, 23 June 1893, p. 10
: 2. Illustrated London News, 6 July 1893
: 3. The Graphic, 15 July 1893, p. 88
: 4. Roberts, The Queen’s Diamonds, p. 139;
: RA QM/PRIV/CC93, pl. 5a, no. 1.
: 5. Roberts, The Queen’s Diamonds, p. 156
: (RCIN 2808148); Geoffrey Munn, Tiaras: A
: History of Splendor, (Woodbridge: Antique
: Collectors’ Club, 2001), pl. 109.
: 6. Munn, Tiaras, pl. 110
: 7. Roberts, The Queen’s Diamonds, p. 194
: (Note: This picture shows the tiara being
: worn in the base of the ‘Girls and Great
: Britain Tiara’).
: 8. Roberts, The Queen’s Diamonds, p. 136,
: GA Garrard RL3, fol. 95, 21 April 1914;
: 9. RA JEWEL/GARRARD/QM, fol. 80, no. 2.
: 10. Roberts, The Queen’s Diamonds, p. 164;
: GA Garrard RL3, fol. 95, 21 April 1914
:
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: --Previous Message--
: Thank you, Nellie! And those two
: tiara/necklaces aren't here anymore, is that
: correct? If so, did that happen before the
: end of reign of King George V or the end of
: reign of his son King George VI? Please
: refresh my memory about that.
:
: It would be nice to see these two
: tiara/necklaces in pictures in color
: (instead of black and white).
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: --Previous Message--
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: In your first pic I believe that would be
: the Ladies of England tiara/necklace.
: In your last, the Surrey tiara/necklace.
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