Re: Empress Maria Feodorovna's Sapphire tiara? Archived Message
Posted by Ashdean  on July 23, 2014, 10:35 am, in reply to "Re: Empress Maria Feodorovna's Sapphire tiara?"
The items that were sold privately appear to have been those of lesser value returned to Xenia in 1929 and then divided between the sisters.
IF Marie had had a tiara she would surely have worn it at the Bourbon Parma wedding in Denmark in 1921 when there was a great display of tiara's and she wore a very small aigrette.
At one point Marie was also said to have owned the honeysuckle tiara with interchangeable centre now worn by the Duchess of Gloucester which we now know was made for Queen Mary in the earliest years of her reign.
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: That isn't entirely accurate. We know the
: official list of jewellery valuated by
: Hennells. We also know that some pieces
: were sold privately and were not on that
: list. A tiara could well have been included.
: It is unlikely that, despite a war being on,
: Marie Feodorovna would not have had one with
: her as she was Dowager Empress and some
: official occasions would have occurred even
: during the war. At such times, she would
: have been expected to appear "in
: rank" as it were. In any event, we do
: not know what private arrangements for the
: sale of jewellery might have taken place.
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: It is well documented that the Dowager
: Empress
: did not manage to bring out of Russia in
: 1919 a single tiara.
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: Hello Johan,
:
: which tiara do you mean? The only tiara worn
: by Queen Mary and Princess Margaret is the
: following tiara, which is supposed to have
: come from Empress Maria Feodorovna. As far
: as I know, it was never in the possession of
: the Queen-Mother (but who knows?...). At
: least, the Queen-Mother has never worn it
: publicly.
:
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:
: I agree this tiara would look great on
: Catherine, Duchess of Cambridge. It is a
: rather small tiara (at least when compared
: to other tiaras in the British collection),
: discret but elegant, regal but not
: overwhelming. And it would make a very nice
: match with the modern design of Diana's
: sapphire set (supposing William, and not
: Harry, has inherited this set).
:
: Nevertheless, I wonder if the attribution to
: Empress Maria Feodorovna is reliable. The
: design and style of the tiara seems rather
: Art Déco (so, after WW1), whereas the
: Empress must have built her collection
: before WW1, when the dominating style was
: Victorian or neo-classical (garland style,
: etc.). Moreover, I do not think we have ever
: seen Empress Maria Feodorovna wearing this
: tiara. What do you think? Are there reliable
: sources to document this attribution to
: Maria Feodorovna?
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: I've been wondering why we don't see the
: saphire tiara the Queen inherited from her
: mother more often. It was worn a few times
: by her sister but has not been seen for
: ages. The tiara looked good on Queen Mary
: and might be a very effective choice for HM.
: I had hoped she'd loan it to the Duchess of
: Cambridge to go with her saphire pieces but
: with the scroll/halo tiara and the pearl
: papyrus tiara it's unlikely Catherine will
: be given the use of a third tiara any time
: soon.
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: What would I do to have photos of the 2
: others sapphire and diamonds tiaras owned
: and not worn by her Majesty (from Field)
:
: Best regards,
:
: Franck
:
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: I understand your comment (no worry, I have
: not perceived it as a personal negative
: comment against me!).
:
: You are probably right when you stress that
: the big central sapphire looks maybe too
: massive in contrast to the delicate floral
: garland arches. And the vertical position of
: the (too close) three central sapphire drops
: does not help either. I have edited my
: message to introduce a photoshopped version
: of the tiara, with the lateral drops
: slightly bent diagonally, I think it can
: improve the general look of the tiara.
:
: Anyway, I am happy that, when it was decided
: to convert the necklace into a tiara (BTW,
: we do not know if it was made before of
: after the Queen acquired it in 1963), the
: person in charge of the transformation
: respected the original design to the maximum
: and did not indulge in dismantling and
: overhauling thoroughly the design of the
: jewel: he/she respected the history and the
: integrity of the necklace, and I appreciate
: this.
:
: After, all is a question of taste, and I
: know we can "agree on our
: disagreements"... Personally, I like
: this tiara - but I have to say I also like
: Queen Elizabeth's Brazilian Aquamarine Tiara
: or Burmese Ruby Tiara, though so many
: posters here do not like them either... who
: knows, maybe I have very weird tastes!
:
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: Arthur, your politeness is much appreciated
: and by no means my remark was meant as a
: personal dig at your appreciation of the
: parure. I do think though that apart from
: personal taste there are objective criteria
: for the success of a design.
:
: If a necklace is converted permanently into
: a tiara and still awkwardly looks like an
: upside down worn necklace something went
: wrong.
:
: With today's hairdos airy arches in a tiara
: are always a bit difficult to pull off, but
: in this particular case the main problem is
: that they don't correspond with the
: (gorgeous) large rhombical sapphire in the
: centre. That they seem to mirror the
: wearer's eye-brows certainly doesn't help.
: The two lateral square sapphires, which
: could balance the centre stone, disappear in
: the coiffure. IMO the most obvious fault is
: the tin-soldier-like upright position of the
: three central sapphire drops.
:
: All this has to do with the designer's lack
: of talent and skills - or simply his or her
: lazyness to deal with the particular
: problems caused by a conversion of an
: existing piece into something else - and not
: so much with personal taste. I see the same
: problem with the Countess of Wessex's
: wedding tiara and frankly find it quite
: surprising that neither the Queen nor
: somebody in charge with her jewellery would
: have higher demands regarding the (re)design
: of prominent pieces. It's not that nobody
: would be around who was able to meet these
: challenges!
:
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: Just a matter of personal taste, of course,
: but I like this tiara. Of course, it still
: looks like a necklace worn upside-down
: rather than a "real" tiara, but
: the tiara mounting has been cleverly made,
: and the delicate pattern of the
: necklace/tiara fits the Queen's face quite
: well, I think.
:
: I just regret that it does not seem possible
: to turn the tiara into a necklace and
: vice-versa, at will. I would like to see it
: worn in its original form, as a necklace.
:
: I remember someone (I do not remember who,
: sorry) had posted some time ago a
: photoshopped version of the tiara, on which
: the two lateral central sapphire drops were
: mounted diagonally rather than vertically.
: Just a small (virtual) change, but the tiara
: looked better that way. Has someone saved
: this picture?
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: The sapphires have a lovely colour, but
: whoever created the tiara should not be
: allowed to come even close to any major
: piece of jewellery ever again.
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