Posted by Beth on February 18, 2016, 4:28 pm, in reply to "Re: to Tamara"
Thank you Mauriz. As ever you have given me a lot to think about. I agree that the bows appear to be a different size.
--Previous Message-- : Dear Tamara, : : you underestimate my ability to judge : photographic evidence if you point me to the : fact that one of the photos is taken from : the other side - believe me, I took that : into consideration. : : In the photo of Countess Kerstin the two : drops nevertheless seem to differ more in : length than the drops in the crown : princess's photo do. Sure, this might be an : optical illusion, but as long as we have no : other/better photo, it's not possible to : tell. The respective position of the : brooch/pendant in the two photos doesn't : give a sufficient explanation why the length : of the pendant drops should appear : different. The low contrast in the picture : of Countess Kerstin, which makes the diamond : frames around the drop pendants nearly : invisible, might add to the effect though. : : The apparent size difference between the : bows is even more noticable. In relation to : the drops Crown Princess Margaret's bow : looks much smaller than Countess Kerstin's. : : Judging by the photo of CP Margaret there : could be an additional tassel/fringe of : three oblong elements between the two drop : pendants which is not visible in the other : picture. Do I believe it's there? Maybe, : there's a hint of the uppermost element in : Countess Kerstin's picture. But again, with : just one photo it's difficult to tell. : : I usually agree that it's highly unlikely : that there are two similar but different : pieces in the same family worn by ancestor : and (wife of) decsendant. But as malluu : pointed out, there were three bow brooches : with pendants among the wedding gifts of CP : Margaret. : : Now, I've found the previous discussion : where this particular photo of CP Margaret : was posted by maud for the first time and in : higher resolution. : : http://members2.boardhost.com/royal-jewels/msg/archive/1390913927.html : Back then I suggested that her bow brooch : was Sir Ernest Cassel's wedding gift with : diamonds and red enamel, although nobody : seemed to agree at that time. : : http://members2.boardhost.com/royal-jewels/msg/archive/1391164064.html : : In this higher resolution pic with better : contrast the bow appears to be slightly : larger and there's more than a hint of the : pattern of - presumably - red enamel, very : similar to the pendant bow in Countess : Kerstin's picture. Compared to the pendants : the bows still seem to differ in size, and : the tassel between the two drops in CP : Margaret's picture looks even more : prominent. : : : : I'm quite sure the bow pendant worn by : Countess Kerstin is Cassel's wedding gift : with red enamel frames. And back in 2014 I : found it likely that CP Margaret was wearing : Cassel's brooch as well. Still, in my : opinion a comparision between the photos of : Countess Kerstin posted by BennyofSweden : (thank you very much!) and Crown Princess : Margaret raises more questions than it : answers. : : What you do with your archives is solely : your decision of course, but I'm a bit : surprised you thought I'd need help with : mine. In general I'm sometimes startled how : arbitrary photographic evidence seems to be : treated as either "suspicious" or : "unquestionable", but I frankly : admit my approach might be spoilt by a : work-related academic scepsis. : : : : : : : : : : : :