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Markevitch's Francesca da Rimini - once or twice?
Posted by Barry Cronin on August 24, 2024, 11:00 am
Hi. Can anyone help with something that is puzzling me? Did Igor Markevitch record Tchaikovsky's Francesca da Rimini once or twice, for Philips? I have two Philips Duos of Tchaikovsky. (Actually, I've got three - I also have the Suites, from Dorati, but that's irrelevant.) One is Symphonies 1-3 and FdR, all from Markevitch, where the recording date for the tone poem is given in the booklet as 10/1974; I also have the 'Complete Tone Poems' Duo (Markevitch, Haitink, Inbal), where the date given (as far as I can make out) is 6/1967. The orchestra remains the same - New Philharmonia. Are they two separate recordings, in which case, great, because the one on my symphonies duo has an irritating click at the 20 minute mark? Or is there a misprint in one of the booklets as to the dates? I haven't played the Tone Poems Duo yet, so can't confirm if there's a click at 20 minutes! By the way, the timings given are identical - 23' 05''. My guess is they are one and the same - in which case, when was it recorded? Thanks, in advance!
Re: Markevitch's Francesca da Rimini - once or twice?
The big box set Igor Markevitch - The Philips Legacy says that on CD 9, Francesca da Rimini was recorded with the New Philharmonia on 6, 7 & 9 June 1967 as per the 'Complete Tone Poems' on Philips Duo, whereas the symphonies Duo twofer gives a date of October 1974 - so it seems that he did indeed record it twice with the same orchestra - but three sessions in 1967 seems excessive for a relatively short piece, so maybe that recording date information is muddled.
Unfortunately, I do not have both Philips sets to do a side-by-side comparison and cannot find the Complete Tone Poems version on YouTube, so that leaves us back where we started unless someone has both sets and can oblige.
(There are of course also recordings with the LSO and l'Orchestre Lamoureux.)
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Hi. Can anyone help with something that is puzzling me? Did Igor Markevitch record Tchaikovsky's Francesca da Rimini once or twice, for Philips? I have two Philips Duos of Tchaikovsky. (Actually, I've got three - I also have the Suites, from Dorati, but that's irrelevant.) One is Symphonies 1-3 and FdR, all from Markevitch, where the recording date for the tone poem is given in the booklet as 10/1974; I also have the 'Complete Tone Poems' Duo (Markevitch, Haitink, Inbal), where the date given (as far as I can make out) is 6/1967. The orchestra remains the same - New Philharmonia. Are they two separate recordings, in which case, great, because the one on my symphonies duo has an irritating click at the 20 minute mark? Or is there a misprint in one of the booklets as to the dates? I haven't played the Tone Poems Duo yet, so can't confirm if there's a click at 20 minutes! By the way, the timings given are identical - 23' 05''. My guess is they are one and the same - in which case, when was it recorded? Thanks, in advance!
Re: Markevitch's Francesca da Rimini - once or twice?
9 and 15 December 1959, Lamoureux Orch, Paris (DG) 6,7,9 June 1967, New Philharmonia (Phillips) None from 1974, according to the Mike Gray catalogue
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Hi. Can anyone help with something that is puzzling me? Did Igor Markevitch record Tchaikovsky's Francesca da Rimini once or twice, for Philips? I have two Philips Duos of Tchaikovsky. (Actually, I've got three - I also have the Suites, from Dorati, but that's irrelevant.) One is Symphonies 1-3 and FdR, all from Markevitch, where the recording date for the tone poem is given in the booklet as 10/1974; I also have the 'Complete Tone Poems' Duo (Markevitch, Haitink, Inbal), where the date given (as far as I can make out) is 6/1967. The orchestra remains the same - New Philharmonia. Are they two separate recordings, in which case, great, because the one on my symphonies duo has an irritating click at the 20 minute mark? Or is there a misprint in one of the booklets as to the dates? I haven't played the Tone Poems Duo yet, so can't confirm if there's a click at 20 minutes! By the way, the timings given are identical - 23' 05''. My guess is they are one and the same - in which case, when was it recorded? Thanks, in advance!
Re: Markevitch's Francesca da Rimini - once or twice?
Thanks for the two replies. I could try a side-by-side comparison, but fear my ears are not as finely analytical as others! In the Symphonies (Opp. 13, 17 & 29) Duo the info is quite adamant: "Recorded - London, 3/1965 (Op. 17, 29); 2/1966 (Op. 13); 10/1974 (Op. 32). Pub. 1965, 1966, 1975." Op. 32, of course, is Francesca da Rimini, and I paraphrase 'Pub' for the letter P circled which is what it actually says. So you've got the double whammy of recorded 1974, pub. 1975.?!, and as the Symphonies were recorded in the 60s, it's hard to see where an error could have occurred.
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Twice:
9 and 15 December 1959, Lamoureux Orch, Paris (DG) 6,7,9 June 1967, New Philharmonia (Phillips) None from 1974, according to the Mike Gray catalogue
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Hi. Can anyone help with something that is puzzling me? Did Igor Markevitch record Tchaikovsky's Francesca da Rimini once or twice, for Philips? I have two Philips Duos of Tchaikovsky. (Actually, I've got three - I also have the Suites, from Dorati, but that's irrelevant.) One is Symphonies 1-3 and FdR, all from Markevitch, where the recording date for the tone poem is given in the booklet as 10/1974; I also have the 'Complete Tone Poems' Duo (Markevitch, Haitink, Inbal), where the date given (as far as I can make out) is 6/1967. The orchestra remains the same - New Philharmonia. Are they two separate recordings, in which case, great, because the one on my symphonies duo has an irritating click at the 20 minute mark? Or is there a misprint in one of the booklets as to the dates? I haven't played the Tone Poems Duo yet, so can't confirm if there's a click at 20 minutes! By the way, the timings given are identical - 23' 05''. My guess is they are one and the same - in which case, when was it recorded? Thanks, in advance!
Re: Markevitch's Francesca da Rimini - once or twice?
Given the corroboration Chris provides from the Mike Gray catalogue, the identical timings and the fact that nowhere else is there any reference to a second recording with the New Philharmonia, I think that until someone is able to provide further evidence, we may safely conclude that the 1974 date is the result of crossed wires - it wouldn't be the first time.
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Thanks for the two replies. I could try a side-by-side comparison, but fear my ears are not as finely analytical as others! In the Symphonies (Opp. 13, 17 & 29) Duo the info is quite adamant: "Recorded - London, 3/1965 (Op. 17, 29); 2/1966 (Op. 13); 10/1974 (Op. 32). Pub. 1965, 1966, 1975." Op. 32, of course, is Francesca da Rimini, and I paraphrase 'Pub' for the letter P circled which is what it actually says. So you've got the double whammy of recorded 1974, pub. 1975.?!, and as the Symphonies were recorded in the 60s, it's hard to see where an error could have occurred.
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Twice:
9 and 15 December 1959, Lamoureux Orch, Paris (DG) 6,7,9 June 1967, New Philharmonia (Phillips) None from 1974, according to the Mike Gray catalogue
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Hi. Can anyone help with something that is puzzling me? Did Igor Markevitch record Tchaikovsky's Francesca da Rimini once or twice, for Philips? I have two Philips Duos of Tchaikovsky. (Actually, I've got three - I also have the Suites, from Dorati, but that's irrelevant.) One is Symphonies 1-3 and FdR, all from Markevitch, where the recording date for the tone poem is given in the booklet as 10/1974; I also have the 'Complete Tone Poems' Duo (Markevitch, Haitink, Inbal), where the date given (as far as I can make out) is 6/1967. The orchestra remains the same - New Philharmonia. Are they two separate recordings, in which case, great, because the one on my symphonies duo has an irritating click at the 20 minute mark? Or is there a misprint in one of the booklets as to the dates? I haven't played the Tone Poems Duo yet, so can't confirm if there's a click at 20 minutes! By the way, the timings given are identical - 23' 05''. My guess is they are one and the same - in which case, when was it recorded? Thanks, in advance!
Re: Markevitch's Francesca da Rimini - once or twice?
Yes, I think that's where we're at. As my Symphonies copy has the click (when you know it's there, you end up anticipating it!), that can now be the back up to my first choice on the other Duo! Thanks all.
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Given the corroboration Chris provides from the Mike Gray catalogue, the identical timings and the fact that nowhere else is there any reference to a second recording with the New Philharmonia, I think that until someone is able to provide further evidence, we may safely conclude that the 1974 date is the result of crossed wires - it wouldn't be the first time.
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Thanks for the two replies. I could try a side-by-side comparison, but fear my ears are not as finely analytical as others! In the Symphonies (Opp. 13, 17 & 29) Duo the info is quite adamant: "Recorded - London, 3/1965 (Op. 17, 29); 2/1966 (Op. 13); 10/1974 (Op. 32). Pub. 1965, 1966, 1975." Op. 32, of course, is Francesca da Rimini, and I paraphrase 'Pub' for the letter P circled which is what it actually says. So you've got the double whammy of recorded 1974, pub. 1975.?!, and as the Symphonies were recorded in the 60s, it's hard to see where an error could have occurred.
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Twice:
9 and 15 December 1959, Lamoureux Orch, Paris (DG) 6,7,9 June 1967, New Philharmonia (Phillips) None from 1974, according to the Mike Gray catalogue
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Hi. Can anyone help with something that is puzzling me? Did Igor Markevitch record Tchaikovsky's Francesca da Rimini once or twice, for Philips? I have two Philips Duos of Tchaikovsky. (Actually, I've got three - I also have the Suites, from Dorati, but that's irrelevant.) One is Symphonies 1-3 and FdR, all from Markevitch, where the recording date for the tone poem is given in the booklet as 10/1974; I also have the 'Complete Tone Poems' Duo (Markevitch, Haitink, Inbal), where the date given (as far as I can make out) is 6/1967. The orchestra remains the same - New Philharmonia. Are they two separate recordings, in which case, great, because the one on my symphonies duo has an irritating click at the 20 minute mark? Or is there a misprint in one of the booklets as to the dates? I haven't played the Tone Poems Duo yet, so can't confirm if there's a click at 20 minutes! By the way, the timings given are identical - 23' 05''. My guess is they are one and the same - in which case, when was it recorded? Thanks, in advance!
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