So much for playing nice.
I read every word of your post; you are out of line.
If you can't discuss this in a friendly way then I will not partipate in the discussion with you.
: See, STILL, the second line there just
: indicates you have not gotten the substance
: of my argument and complaint...ergo your not
: reading my posts. The thesis of which,
: "I think it is unacceptable for Nova
: fans to accept Rich as
: gone"..truthfully and admittedly, this
: IS confrontational and judgmental, and a
: "call out". I don't deny that.
: Sometimes when people are wrong , you have
: to tell them they are wrong and why you
: think that. I'm sorry I wont compromise
: Yet again, this line of posts from my angle
: has nothing to do with the boycott or not
: buying Marvel/ Substitute Nova books. I
: stated that clearly 2 x and now I'm done.For
: the record, I have never stated, that a
: boycott is THE (meaning single) way to get
: rider back. This also indicates you do not
: seem to get what I have written, when I have
: expressly indicated I do not buy Marvel
: comics now for a macro sense of my purchase
: power not to buy an inferior product, not
: just Rider inclusive.
: Lastly, again the "True Nova Fan"
: Or "Good Nova fan" I have my
: opinions of what this should be, I'm not god
: nor am I speaking for all Rider fans. I am a
: man with an opinion on what those things
: are. If someone violates them, I feel the
: need to call them out as best I can. I tried
: hard to be reasonable and respectful. In
: terms of "inflammatory" well that
: is a subjective condition. I have a few
: inflamed bug bites right now on my leg,
: sadly I must deal with them until they've
: run their course.
: Jokes aside, I was also clear I did not
: expressively lump you into the category of
: not being a "Good nova Fan"..in
: fact, I stated I was pretty sure we were
: dealing with a misunderstanding here and you
: were NOT of the category I spoke. But again,
: another indication whatever I've written has
: been lost in the translation.
: I'm not backing off with my opinion what I
: said in post #1. Nova fans should not accept
: for one minute that Rich is dead and
: mothballed. its my opinion and, yet again
: its not something I'm going to compromise
: --Previous Message--
: How about we just lay off terms like
: "good Nova fan" and move past
: this? It may not have been your intention
: but it is insulting so perhaps it would be
: best to just avoid inflamatory words.
: You are outspoken here on your belief that a
: boycot is the way to bring back Rider.
: I respectfully disagree. I believe, as
: deeply as you do, that boycotting Nova
: material without Rider will have exactly the
: opposite effect that you desire.
: Nova is a brand within Marvel. The more we
: support the brand the more they will be
: searching for ways to sell that brand.
: Which would eventually lead them to reviving
: Conversely, the more we stay away from that
: brand the less likely they are to take any
: chances with anything Nova at all
: --including Rider.
: Not supporting Nova related comics is the
: very worst thing you can do if you want to
: see Richard Rider gracing the comics again.
: It also has the side effect of missing out
: on potentially good Nova related stories.
: My suggestion to readers here who want to
: see Richard Rider again is to buy every
: single thing where Nova is mentioned in any
: capacity and to let Marvel know that we love
: the heck out of Nova stuff.
: I understand your position here. I disagree
: with it, but I get it.
: Your reply just now came right out of the
: gate accusing me of potentially skimming or
: reading half of what you wrote. Which, I
: assure you, is very much not the case. But
: when you do that it sets up an antagonistic
: tone, don't you see that? It is not
: friendly. That I do not agree with you does
: not mean I didn't understand or did not read
: what you wrote. It simply means I read what
: you put down and then had different ideas.
: So let's just make sure to play nice when
: we discuss these things. Agreed?
: One thing I can say: It is clear you are a
: passionate fan. As a long time Nova fan and
: one who remembers the long period where Nova
: was almost a forgotten hero. Coming back to
: comics I was delighted to discover he had
: new adventures. I have a huge amount of
: love for anyone who loves this character as
: much as you (or I) do.
: --Previous Message--
: Most of your post seems to indicate you
: pick up the substance of what I was saying
: or skimmed/ stopped half way.
: I said I have no tolerance for the notion
: folks would give up on Rider and accept
: Marvel's corporate driven agenda to keep him
: mothballed..And yes, agreed, it is
: judgmental of me. Sometimes I do evaluate
: what I read , form an opinion (or Judgement)
: on what I read, and provide feedback to the
: In my belief, I specifically separated the
: other factors that divide us. (IE SAM,
: BOYCOTTS, OR NEW MATERIAL) as a separate
: matters worthy of a different debate, and
: perhaps fan compromise and common ground.
: Frankly, I've compromised a lot on this
: issue, despite what some think here. I'm not
: flaming folks right now for buying this
: material. (though, personally, i think folks
: should not buy it, but again a separate
: So I'm not going to compromise, I do think
: folks who say they are cool with Rider being
: dead are not good Nova fans. Its my
: opinion, sorry if you disagree.
: We have to harken back to something Timelord
: once said ...this stuff is not a "Blood
: Fued" folks. As you say disagreement,
: even heated, is OK. The board has a COC and
: we all need to abide and respect that..I
: think we all do.
: You seem like a decent guy Scott, and from
: most of the substance of your post , I don't
: think your in the category I;m even
: referring .
: The point of me throwing the term "true
: Nova fans" around is not really to
: divide us, I just want you to wake up and
: hopefully, change your tune. Truth is,
: despite what I said, I do consider Lio
: (whose opinion I value also), You, and
: others "True" nova fans. I'm just
: trying to wake you guys up.
: But really, (some) of this thread and vibe
: just sounds defeated and mopey. And we are
: all better than that. I'm just trying to
: wake folks up.
: Before this thread, I assumed all of as, at
: the least, had the common ground that we
: "Wanted Rich Back" and an active
: character in the Marvel U. Damn, that seemed
: lock solid.
: For trying to re affirm that and be
: outspoken...I'll take the flame and the hit
: if you guys don't like it. Again, it is no
: sweat off my back to be the bad guy if that
: whats , IMO, needed.
: If you guys disagree w/me its OK. I still
: find giving up on Rider unacceptable.
: --Previous Message--
: See, I take exception to that. I am a
: Richard Rider fan. I am old enough that I
: was buying the original issues when they
: came out.
: Yet the Sam Alexander Nova comics are the
: only comics I even buy. Would I prefer a
: Richard Rider comic? Yes. Absolutely.
: But in the absence of a Rider comic I am
: content to enjoy stories of spin-off Nova
: My problem with Sam is not that he is not
: Richard. My problem with Sam is that he is
: not a fully realized hero.
: You can't reasonably say that people like me
: are not Richard Rider fans. We are. 100%
: fans. We love the character.
: We just do not subscribe to the belief that
: it is an all-or-nothing thing. And we do
: not subscribe to the belief that supporting
: Nova characters will somehow stop Rider from
: coming back.
: You say that it is not OK? Who the heck are
: you to say so? How judgemental!
: Because Richard Rider is, indeed, gone for
: the time being. Do I like it? No. Do I
: wish it were otherwise? Sure. Do I hope
: they bring Rider back someday? You betcha.
: There is not a single comic event that would
: make me happier than to see the return of
: Richard Rider as Nova.
: But to say that people are not a fan because
: they accept something that really is out of
: their control (and no, IMHO the boycott is
: and will never be effective so it really is
: not in our control) is where I draw the
: I understand your point of view. I've said
: on this forum that I respect it. So it
: would be nice to see some respectful
: disagreent instead of drawing metaphorical
: lines and declaring those who disagree with
: you to not be a fan.
: Because I do actually disagree with you.
: And I am still, regardless, a Richard Rider
: fan. At the same time as being a Nova Corps
: --Previous Message--
: I still need more information.
: but let me say a few things.
: First off , we all can relax, whatever each
: of us wants, with this creative team, this
: book will be dead in six months. This writer
: is getting hammered week after week for his
: suicide squad.(even by CBR folks). His Nova
: special book was horrid (IMO at least) and
: embraced the cycle of making fun of DnA era
: Next, I want to say how gross some of the
: talk is on this thread. For some, I am some
: crazed Rich Rider zealot who has no
: reasonable sense, to others on here , even
: many I disagree with, I value a lot of your
: But let me say, the notion of "Aw
: shucks...Rich is dead forever, oh well he
: had his day.." is not acceptable.
: You don't have to be as angry as me or
: others, you don't have to hate Sam, man you
: don;t even have to not buy or boycott, but
: let me say that attitude to just accept the
: guy as gone is BS from a fan.
: That IS where I draw the line. If you claim
: to be a Nova fan and then claim you are cool
: with Rich being dead, that's just not OK.
: Wil E is right...this, if this is, in fact,
: "Jesse Alexander", the move is yet
: another low down dirty scungy chronicle in
: this fight. Its actually brainwashing...and
: from the sound of it, the tactic is working.
: From the start, every effort was made to
: confuse the readers that "Jesse could
: be Rich" , from his very similar
: appearance, to the way he talked or went
: about certain things, from a smattering of
: other clues we all chatted about 10 issues
: into this series. In many ways, he seemed
: like some sort of version of rich who was
: time flung and never had the Annhilation War
: experience. But then the fundamental fact
: the Vol. 5 folks just didn't know who Rich
: was or what happened in the old books caught
: up with them..
: I'm not going to touch on the more in depth
: aspects of how canon is basically out the
: window in Nova et al these days, sorry Wil
: E, but worrying about worldminds and rank is
: like worrying about a broken toilet in the
: plane while the engines have fallen off.
: Duggan's crew forgot, the biggest bullsheet
: factor in this is how everything Rich was
: built up to, everything he believed in
: responsible use of the Nova force and
: training those who wield it has been
: violated by the lackluster character of
: Jesse Alexander. If folks don't recall, at
: one point, Rich chose DEATH over using the
: force irresponsibly and putting out poorly
: trained corpsmen. What has gone on with
: Jesse violates everything. He's no mentor.
: And if it does turn out to be Rich still, it
: will be difficult to undue this.
: As for what Will E points out , that the
: Marvel / Disney Hegemony would craft a brown
: haired rogueish guy with so many other
: traits of Rich Rider and place him
: nonsensically in some weird retcon they
: could not bother to expand on in 30 issues
: of Vol. 5, just defies all logic. The only
: explanation is something silly, like the
: reason Rider is mothballed is because they
: want to teach uppity fans a lesson or
: because truly some exec has said no go on a
: character with the name "Dick
: Rider". I just don't know.
: Please, all i ask is if you are a Rider fan,
: to keep the faith and keep hammering this
: As I now realize, especially looking at this
: mess of books with 'fightin pregger SPider
: Women and a host of crazy lineups Marvel is
: out of its collective mind right now. Its a
: line wide problem and Rich Rider debacle is
: only one sad fold in the mess. Look how they
: are even bleeding creators. Its a mess.
: As of now, I won't buy marvel because a
: fundamental problem with the quality of the
: product. Rider be damned, I have principles
: with my hard earned money.
: I hope some of you will change your tune. I
: value a lot of your guys opinions and hope
: we can still stay resolute on this deal.
: We still all need more info before going
: bonkers...and I'll let that play out before
: I do as well.
: --Previous Message--
: So Marvel is going back to re-start a bunch
: #1s and it seems this new "Nova"
: series is part of the so-called "New
: 45"(from what I have been able to
: gather: a collection of covers or ads as
: seen in the new Marvel Previews or similar
: Marvel is pretty adamant about not bringing
: Richard Rider back but are listening to
: fans, and to some degree, disgruntled loyal
: RR fans like myself: Sam Alexander will be
: getting a mentor at it will his father
: Jesse. Jesse will wear his old Xandarian
: Nova Corps uniform and not the Black Ops
: Super Duper suit. I asume Jesse is now the
: new "living legacy" of the old
: Corps and there is no Nova Prime...very
: conveniently doing away with RR the sneaky,
: DIRTY, way.
: Duggan and company will eventually find some
: excuse to do away with a Nova Prime and be
: more independent of a Worldmind. Anything to
: remove themselves of RR and instead
: concentrate on a "Nova brand"
: without any involvement of RR.
: Common sense and logic still dictates that
: the real Xandarian Worldmind is still
: operational in order for Sam's
: mini-Worldmind to syphon its energy from. RR
: absorbed the full Nova Force along with the
: Cosmic Cube to create a gateway for Quill
: and Drax to escape the Cancerverse and that
: combined energy would not just easily burn
: itself out. RR is definitely still alive out
: there, in a sentient cosmic energy form,
: around his last known coordinates.
: Jesse may have been able to resume being a
: Nova Centurion using the
: "mini-Worldmind" but the Nova
: Force must still active in the real
: Worldmind in order for that to be possible.
: No, I don't think the real Worldmind
: downloaded itself to the Black Nova's
: mini-worldmind...but Duggan or any other
: writer could easily find that as the perfect
: way to dust off any more ties with RR. Very
: dirty and sad of Marvel to do so.
: --Previous Message--
: Here's my speculation
: A) Richard Rider is back.
: B) Sam's dad and Sam Alexander only
: C) generation storyline, origin of Jesse to
: Sam Alexander.
: Cb) Jesse Alexander is a Xandarian who
: "gone native" on Earth after he
: crashlanded on it on a training mission
: (hope alien hunters are also interested in
: selling "the last Xandarian and his
: exotic hybrid offpsrings") and showing
: why Jesse decided to stay on Earth rather
: than Xandar, which Grandma Alexander
: (possibly a high ranking Nova) may be pissed
: at his son's choice before Luphimorph blew
: the planet and her to pieces, or Nebula's
: rampage, or eaten by bugs.
: I am gonna pick C and Cb since Marvel need
: to have an alien-human hybrid without
: "my dad impregnated my mom and ditched
: her with an unborn child" and being
: white (at least fully, but Hulkling is kinda
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