Posted by Boffer on January 15, 2012, 7:50 am, in reply to "Re: Bar Brooches"
The 14 stone Bar Brooch is not a definite affiliation with Queen Mary, although it featured in Field, the information in that has since been proven incorrect as the association with Queen Victoria has since been disproven by the Royal Collection.
Thus I believe the safest names to associate with them would be.
For the 10 stone brooch: 'Queen Victoria's Bar Brooch', which is how it is referred to by the Royal Collection.
As for the 14 stone brooch, the lack of definitive information that associates it soley with Queen Mary, the best name would be '14 Stone Diamond Bar Brooch'.
It may be that George V and Queen Mary feature in a large exhibition akin to that on Victoria and Albert, in the none too distant future, which will shed more light on the various pieces associated with them.
--Previous Message-- : Thanks Boffer, I'm listing 10 as Garter Bar : Brooch and listing Queen Mary's as Queen : Mary's Sash brooch as there is another bar : brooch listed belonging to Queen Mary. What : do you have them listed as? : PJ : : --Previous Message-- : The shorter Bar Brooch of 10 stones was made : by Rundell, Bridge & Co in 1838 for : Queen Victoria. : : What is of note about this brooch is that it : is not considered a piece of jewellery. : : In the 2010 exhibition on Victoria & : Albert: Art & Love, and the accompanying : literature by Marsden, this brooch was : included in the "insignia" : section. And it is now firmly regarded as : part of the Garter insignia, and not : necessary as a brooch or piece of jewellery. : : This 10 stone Bar Brooch was originally made : as two separate bars, to be worn to fix the : sash at the front and back of the shoulder, : however they were later remodelled in Queen : Victoria's lifetime, to form one single : brooch. : : This brooch was used by Queen Alexandra as : part of her Garter insignia, and then by : Queen Elizabeth the Queen Mother, who used : it as part of her Garter insignia and : retained use of it until her death in 2002. : : The 14 stones Bar Brooch, first appeared on : Queen Mary, and it is likely that this was : commissioned when she was created as a Lady : of the Garter as part of her insignia, to : attach the sash at the tope of her shoulder, : as Queen Victoria's brooch was retained by : Queen Alexandra. : : The 14 stone Bar Brooch then passed to the : Queen, who used it as part of her insignia : too, often wearing it at the back of the : sash, so not visible from the front. : : Since 2002, the Queen has had access to both : the 10 stone Bar Brooch and the 14 Stone Bar : Brooch, although it is not clear which one : she wears as she is rarely photographed from : behind. : HM also wears the Prince Albert Sapphire : Brooch to attach her Garter Sash at the back : occasionally. : : --Previous Message-- : I know the one from QV is 14 stones. But I : seen QEQM wearing one with 10 stones. Which : is which or is one shortened? : : : : :
on January 15, 2012, 7:50 am, in reply to "