Posted by PJ Kiser on January 16, 2012, 5:55 am, in reply to "Re: Bar Brooches"
Thanks Boffer, I will make the changes right away. PJ
--Previous Message-- : The 14 stone Bar Brooch is not a definite : affiliation with Queen Mary, although it : featured in Field, the information in that : has since been proven incorrect as the : association with Queen Victoria has since : been disproven by the Royal Collection. : : Thus I believe the safest names to associate : with them would be. : : For the 10 stone brooch: 'Queen Victoria's : Bar Brooch' , which is how it is referred to : by the Royal Collection. : : As for the 14 stone brooch, the lack of : definitive information that associates it : soley with Queen Mary, the best name would : be '14 Stone Diamond Bar Brooch' . : : It may be that George V and Queen Mary : feature in a large exhibition akin to that : on Victoria and Albert, in the none too : distant future, which will shed more light : on the various pieces associated with them. : : --Previous Message-- : Thanks Boffer, I'm listing 10 as Garter Bar : Brooch and listing Queen Mary's as Queen : Mary's Sash brooch as there is another bar : brooch listed belonging to Queen Mary. What : do you have them listed as? : PJ : : --Previous Message-- : The shorter Bar Brooch of 10 stones was made : by Rundell, Bridge & Co in 1838 for : Queen Victoria. : : What is of note about this brooch is that it : is not considered a piece of jewellery. : : In the 2010 exhibition on Victoria & : Albert: Art & Love, and the accompanying : literature by Marsden, this brooch was : included in the "insignia" : section. And it is now firmly regarded as : part of the Garter insignia, and not : necessary as a brooch or piece of jewellery. : : This 10 stone Bar Brooch was originally made : as two separate bars, to be worn to fix the : sash at the front and back of the shoulder, : however they were later remodelled in Queen : Victoria's lifetime, to form one single : brooch. : : This brooch was used by Queen Alexandra as : part of her Garter insignia, and then by : Queen Elizabeth the Queen Mother, who used : it as part of her Garter insignia and : retained use of it until her death in 2002. : : The 14 stones Bar Brooch, first appeared on : Queen Mary, and it is likely that this was : commissioned when she was created as a Lady : of the Garter as part of her insignia, to : attach the sash at the tope of her shoulder, : as Queen Victoria's brooch was retained by : Queen Alexandra. : : The 14 stone Bar Brooch then passed to the : Queen, who used it as part of her insignia : too, often wearing it at the back of the : sash, so not visible from the front. : : Since 2002, the Queen has had access to both : the 10 stone Bar Brooch and the 14 Stone Bar : Brooch, although it is not clear which one : she wears as she is rarely photographed from : behind. : HM also wears the Prince Albert Sapphire : Brooch to attach her Garter Sash at the back : occasionally. : : --Previous Message-- : I know the one from QV is 14 stones. But I : seen QEQM wearing one with 10 stones. Which : is which or is one shortened? : : : : : : :
on January 16, 2012, 5:55 am, in reply to "