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    Re: True Lovers Knot Tiara ownership Archived Message

    Posted by Johan on October 8, 2014, 2:30 pm, in reply to "Re: True Lovers Knot Tiara ownership"

    I thought the Lover's knot tiara was a gift from HM to the Princess of Wales. So when Diana divorced Charles and stopped being the Princess of Wales the tiara either reverted to the queen or went to Charles. Camilla is technically the new Princess of Wales but it would be odd for her to wear it, especially with plenty of tiara's from the Queen-Mother for her to wear.

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    :
    : Arthur - I must take issue with you over a
    : statement you make at the start.
    :
    : " As a jewel transmitted from Queen
    : (Mary) to Queen (Elizabeth II), it should
    : now be a part of the Royal Collection (which
    : is the copyright mentioned by Geoffrey Munn
    : in his book Tiaras, A History of Splendour,
    : page 134), and not a private property of the
    : Queen. "
    :
    : Copyright I believe would relate to a
    : photograph .
    : We now know that the Royal Collection has
    : arranged for photos to be taken for the
    : purpose of inclusion in their publications.
    :
    : I would say the tiara is most likely still
    : the private property of the Queen. In any
    : event, not of the Royal Collection.
    :
    : Added by edit: I also believe the practice
    : of lending private jewels started well
    : before the divorces.
    : The experience of the abdication almost
    : certainly sharpened senses for keeping
    : principal jewels in the reigning line.
    :
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    : --Previous Message--
    : Thanks for the link, PJ Kiser!
    :
    : The ownership of this tiara is rather
    : mysterious. As a jewel transmitted from
    : Queen (Mary) to Queen (Elizabeth II), it
    : should now be a part of the Royal Collection
    : (which is the copyright mentioned by
    : Geoffrey Munn in his book Tiaras, A History
    : of Splendour , page 134), and not a private
    : property of the Queen.
    :
    : But when she presented the Lovers Knot tiara
    : to Diana as a wedding gift in 1981, the
    : Queen could not foresee that the Royal
    : Family would be plagued, a decade later, by
    : so many divorces. A royal marriage was
    : supposed to last for life: so it made sense,
    : at that time, that gifts were fully given,
    : and not only "loaned", as it is
    : now the case. Therefore, it would be a
    : logical deduction that William (or Harry)
    : inherited the tiara at their mother's death.
    : But that would not be coherent with the
    : tiara being part of the Royal Collection.
    :
    : Another possibility could be that the Lovers
    : Knot tiara was a "gift for life"
    : to Diana - a kind of intermediary position
    : between a gift in full property and a mere
    : loan. That would imply that the tiara
    : reverted back to the Queen after Diana's
    : death (or even after her divorce). That
    : would also be coherent with an information
    : posted by our well-informed (and
    : much-missed) poster Boffer in 2011
    : indicating that " most of the historic
    : royal jewels that Princess Margaret was
    : gifted by her mother and sister during her
    : lifetime were only gifts-for-life and thus
    : reverted back to the Queen upon her death
    : ".
    :
    : We can notice that Hugh Roberts, in The
    : Queen's Diamonds (page 182), remains silent
    : about the ownership issue: " the tiara
    : was inherited by The Queen from her
    : grandmother in 1953 and was worn by Diana,
    : Princess of Wales, following her marriage in
    : 1981 ". But he does not disclose if the
    : tiara had been given or loaned, and if the
    : tiara went to the Queen or to Prince William
    : (or to Prince Harry) after Diana's death.
    :
    : Note that the words used in the documentary
    : on Youtube should not be taken for a granted
    : and sure truth. Actually, there seems to be
    : some errors in this documentary. For
    : example, a few minutes after the passage
    : about the Lovers Knot tiara, the authors of
    : the documentary discuss Queen Alexandra's
    : wedding gift parure, and erroneously mention
    : that the brooch of the parure had remained
    : with the Queen-Mother (whereas we know that
    : it was bequeathed by Queen Mary to Queen
    : Elizabeth II).
    :
    : Anyway, I hope we will not have to wait for
    : decades before we can see this beautiful
    : Lovers Knot tiara again! It is both delicate
    : and majestic, and I am sure it would look
    : great on the Duchess of Cambridge!
    :
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    : --Previous Message--
    : Thanks for the link to this documentary !
    :
    : --Previous Message--
    : I found this documentary while looking for
    : something else. Its on the British Royal
    : Jewelry, talks about the Queen, Queen Mary
    : and Princess Diana. The True Lovers Knot
    : Tiara is mention on 31:15 as one of two
    : pieces of Royal jewelry owned outright by
    : Diana and is the hands of her sons as her
    : legacy. I don't know how true this is and I
    : know this was talked about before. This is
    : my two cents on the subject.
    : PJ
    : British Jewels Doc
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