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    sapphire bracelet gift from Queen to QEQM Archived Message

    Posted by joye on October 17, 2014, 8:02 am, in reply to "Re: Duchess of Cornwall Diamond Rosette Brooch"

    Have we ever seen the bracelet gift from The Queen to Duchess of York?
    Sapphire I suppose.

    --Previous Message--
    : It is a possibility that Camilla's brooch is
    : the same as the Queen-Mother's wedding gift
    : brooch, but I am not totally sure. Actually,
    : there are several similar brooches, in the
    : shape of a heraldic rose of England, which
    : can bring some confusion.
    :
    : According to Ursula's website (
    : http://www.royal-magazin.de/england/diamond-rose-brooch-queen-mary.htm
    : ), Queen Mary received at least two
    : brooches in the shape of an heraldic rose as
    : wedding gifts:
    : - the Duke of York (later King George V)
    : presented a diamond rose brooch in the style
    : of the "Rose of York"
    : - the West Yorkshire Regiment presented a
    : diamond rose brooch, designed and executed
    : by the Goldsmiths' and Silversmiths'
    : Company.
    :
    : Still according to Ursula's website, the
    : brooch presented by the Duke of York was
    : mounted by Queen Mary on a bracelet that she
    : wears on this picture. The West Yorkshire
    : regiment brooch is pictured on the right:
    :
    :
    :
    : Ursula's website also mentions that the West
    : Yorkshire regiment's brooch was presented by
    : Queen Mary to her daughter-in-law,
    : Elizabeth, Duchess of York (later Queen
    : Elizabeth the Queen Mother) as a wedding
    : gift:
    :
    :
    :
    : We have never seen Queen(-Mother) Elizabeth
    : wearing this brooch, nor Queen Elizabeth II.
    : But Princess Margaret wore a similar Rose of
    : York diamond brooch, of which Ursula's
    : website says it is the West Yorkshire
    : Regiment's brooch. It was part of the jewels
    : sold at auction after Princess Margaret's
    : death, but Christie's notice gives no
    : precise information about the origin of the
    : brooch:
    :
    : http://www.christies.com/lotfinder/lot/an-antique-diamond-rose-of-york-brooch-4717994-details.aspx?from=salesummary&pos=5&intObjectID=4717994&sid=19f5cb35-c5dd-4391-a716-fc5d415cab23
    :
    :
    :
    : Here worn by Princess Margaret at Princess
    : Eugenie of York's christening, in December
    : 1990:
    :
    :
    :
    : So, these factual elements let the following
    : hypotheses opened:
    : 1) Queen Mary's, QEQM's, Princess Margaret's
    : and Camilla's brooch are one and the same,
    : which implies that Prince Charles (or the
    : Queen) bought back Princess Margaret's
    : brooch at the auction;
    : 2) Princess Margaret's brooch is not the
    : same as Queen Mary's and QEQM's (which
    : implies that Ursula's website's information
    : would be erroneous on that point); that also
    : implies that Camilla's brooch could be QM's
    : and QEQM's West Yorkshire Regiment's brooch
    : 3) QM's and QEQM's West Yorkshire Regiment's
    : brooch went to Princess Margaret (and was
    : sold at auction), and the brooch worn by
    : Camilla is another brooch, of unidentified
    : origin
    : 4) QM's/QEQM's West Yorkshire Regiment's
    : brooch, Princess Margaret's brooch and
    : Camilla's brooch are three different
    : brooches.
    :
    : Personally, I tend to lean in favour of the
    : second option (without excluding the third
    : one):
    : - on QEQM's wedding gifts picture, we can
    : see that the outer petals of the rose are
    : (slightly) curved inwards, while on Princess
    : Margaret's brooch, they are curved outwards;
    : Camilla's brooch petals seem to be slightly
    : curved inwards too;
    : - it seems that Camilla's brooch has,
    : between the rose petals, tiny diamond
    : "leaves", which can not be seen on
    : Princess Margaret's brooch. These tiny
    : leaves are possibly visible on QEQM's
    : wedding gifts picture ("possibly"
    : because the picture is a bit blurry to be
    : sure) and are visible on Ursula's website's
    : picture (the engraving on the right, just
    : behind the photographic picture of Princess
    : Margaret's brooch).
    :
    :
    :
    : To conclude, I must say honestly that I have
    : no sure and absolute opinion. But these are
    : the elements I wanted to share with you.
    :
    :
    : --Previous Message--
    : I have a question relating to a brooch worn
    : by
    : the Duchess of Cornwall on the back of dress
    : to hold her sash of the Royal Victoria
    : Order.
    :
    : It is a small diamond rosette style brooch.
    :
    :
    :
    :
    :
    :
    : I am not sure if it has been discussed
    : before but I thought that it might be the
    : brooch shown below at the left from the
    : gifts to the then Duchess of York (QEQM)
    : from Queen Mary.
    :
    :
    :
    : I was reminded of this when earlier today,
    : Arthur posted the Sotheby’s catalogue page
    : showing the pink topaz brooch and earrings
    : and I noticed a similar brooch on the same
    : page – seen below top.
    :
    :
    :
    :
    : Could Charles have bought more that one lot
    : that day??
    :
    :
    : Cheers!
    : Bryce
    :
    :
    :

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