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: : It's possible that the "gypsies"
: referred to in your family story were
: romanichals, also described as AnglIoromani
: or English or Scottish Gypsy people; there
: were some romanichal families in eastern
: Canada in the time period you're talking
: about. As opposed to those gypsies who
: identify themselves as Rom"-- the type
: of gypsies mentioned by the chava who wrote
: in before me-- romanichals are a little more
: likely to intermarry outside their group
: (don't everybody write in and crucify me, I
: can think of at least 5 romanichals I know
: of who married 'outside', and for that
: matter, it happens among Rom as well but
: people act like it doesn't). Anyway good
: luck and God bless in your search. There
: are some sites which might be helpful--I
: think there's a link in the Gypsy Lore
: Society web page for people who want to
: trace their ancestry and it mentions some of
: the various groups. There's one called
: "itinerant roots" and I think some
: of the English Gypsy sites might have
: something for you. Zena
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: your story does not sound practible the roma
: back in 1916 kept very much to themselfs
: would never think about having afair with
: non gypsy in would desgrace the familey if
: sombody married a non gypsy im saying that
: would be impossible just unlikely as for
: roma stealing children that has rumor made
: by non gypsysies how that rumor got started
: was that roma had a lot of children and one
: or two would be blond blue eyes or red hair
: green eyes the rest would be dark complected
: so the non gypsy asumed the children were
: stolen
: good luck with your search
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: I am trying to comfirm a rumour that my
: mother's father was gypsy. My grandmother
: got pregnant by a man in 1916 and gave birth
: to my mother in Nov, of that same year.
: There are stories that the man was killed by
: my maternal great-grandfather with the help
: of others and buried on the family property.
: There is also a story that the Gypsies came
: to take my mother when she was about 4 or 5
: years old and were driven off. Is anyone
: out there aware of any communities at that
: time in Nova Scotia, or any stories about a
: family member getting killed around that
: time? Thanks for your help.
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: it is a fact that English Gypsies
: Romanichal, Rummychals came to Canada in the
: 1830s or 40s long before the Vlax Rom came
: there. Ditto for the U.S. Matter of fact
: some English Gypsies were given land in
: Canada for service to the English Crown,
: mainly with horses in the British Army. And
: to this day Romanichal and Roma are like
: strangers to each other. I can personally
: say that Roma mostly dont even see
: Romanichal as "gypsies". If you
: are sitting with a Rom even if you are pals
: they will tell you they gotta get up and
: leave to join another Rom who comes into the
: area. This can be experienced at almost any
: Carny where Roms are doing business and say
: Romanichals are bustin there ass working
: too. Maybe because some Romanichals are
: light and different in their ways not stict
: like Roma etc.
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: A lot of people surf these sites and just
: observe because of this same attitude. I am
: so glad this subject came up. Trying to be
: brief. Well, there is a lot of arrogance
: with vlax Roma. Of course they should be
: proud of their blood lines. They payed
: their dues to keep the blood. However,
: there are people who are just as
: "gypsy" and sometimes more so.
: Example could be Romanichal who comes from
: maybe a father who has very very good Rom
: blood and this individual may show very high
: quality true Gypsy instincts and ways and
: behaviour just automatically because of the
: blood. This is a very weird thing to see.
: Some Romanitchals come from very high good
: Lowari the best horse people in the western
: world. Thats why the British Army respected
: them. Also the psychology of American or
: Canadian Vlax Roma can be really bizarre.
: They usually have extreme outsider values
: and act out in really freaky ways at time
: almost like reverse psycology as a
: protective style. Example is they reverse
: ignorance and unclean speach and thoughts
: exhibited on this site and in personal
: behaviour. A real learning experience is to
: see a light skinned person of Romanitchal
: background who is well-educated and is of
: wealth meeting say American Gypsies who
: "aint got jack" and got the whole
: image that goes with that.
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: i am romanichal and i know there have been romanichal in england for at least the last 500 years
my people came to america in the 1850's. where we were between india and england before 500 years ago i do know know. but there is a misconception of english travellers and romanichal being the same.we are NOT. there is no connection blood wise.some romani call theirselves travellers because that is the english translation of the word romanichal(gypsies that go). as for us being light skinned...lol...no dont everyone jump me here but i dont recall seeing to many light skinned romanians or hungarians or serbs or and eastern european natives for that matter. that just means that just MAYBE if some vlax did intermarry it was with other dark people instead of the pale british we had to contend with....lol
:besides i promise when i was a boy we called ourselves romanichal, i didnt know we were english until i came into contact with irish travellers when i got older. it's funny we are only english gypsies when we meet other rom or travellers but amongst ourselves we are just romani.
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