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: i been reading these posts it looks like we
: been geting a little critisim from our pral
: the rommachials for valx rom being arrogant
: i dont think thats true valx rom have
: nothing but nothing respect for there
: achivements the rom a learn a lot from
: rommachials we allways said that are more
: advance then we are the rommachials help us
: in paving businnes and contine to do so i
: dont know if rommachials know this in
: romanes rommachials means e rommange chave]
: romas children PS stop calling us rag heads
: and turks LOL
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: : It's possible that the "gypsies"
: referred to in your family story were
: romanichals, also described as AnglIoromani
: or English or Scottish Gypsy people; there
: were some romanichal families in eastern
: Canada in the time period you're talking
: about. As opposed to those gypsies who
: identify themselves as Rom"-- the type
: of gypsies mentioned by the chava who wrote
: in before me-- romanichals are a little more
: likely to intermarry outside their group
: (don't everybody write in and crucify me, I
: can think of at least 5 romanichals I know
: of who married 'outside', and for that
: matter, it happens among Rom as well but
: people act like it doesn't). Anyway good
: luck and God bless in your search. There
: are some sites which might be helpful--I
: think there's a link in the Gypsy Lore
: Society web page for people who want to
: trace their ancestry and it mentions some of
: the various groups. There's one called
: "itinerant roots" and I think some
: of the English Gypsy sites might have
: something for you. Zena
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: your story does not sound practible the roma
: back in 1916 kept very much to themselfs
: would never think about having afair with
: non gypsy in would desgrace the familey if
: sombody married a non gypsy im saying that
: would be impossible just unlikely as for
: roma stealing children that has rumor made
: by non gypsysies how that rumor got started
: was that roma had a lot of children and one
: or two would be blond blue eyes or red hair
: green eyes the rest would be dark complected
: so the non gypsy asumed the children were
: stolen
: good luck with your search
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: I am trying to comfirm a rumour that my
: mother's father was gypsy. My grandmother
: got pregnant by a man in 1916 and gave birth
: to my mother in Nov, of that same year.
: There are stories that the man was killed by
: my maternal great-grandfather with the help
: of others and buried on the family property.
: There is also a story that the Gypsies came
: to take my mother when she was about 4 or 5
: years old and were driven off. Is anyone
: out there aware of any communities at that
: time in Nova Scotia, or any stories about a
: family member getting killed around that
: time? Thanks for your help.
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: it is a fact that English Gypsies
: Romanichal, Rummychals came to Canada in the
: 1830s or 40s long before the Vlax Rom came
: there. Ditto for the U.S. Matter of fact
: some English Gypsies were given land in
: Canada for service to the English Crown,
: mainly with horses in the British Army. And
: to this day Romanichal and Roma are like
: strangers to each other. I can personally
: say that Roma mostly dont even see
: Romanichal as "gypsies". If you
: are sitting with a Rom even if you are pals
: they will tell you they gotta get up and
: leave to join another Rom who comes into the
: area. This can be experienced at almost any
: Carny where Roms are doing business and say
: Romanichals are bustin there ass working
: too. Maybe because some Romanichals are
: light and different in their ways not stict
: like Roma etc.
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: A lot of people surf these sites and just
: observe because of this same attitude. I am
: so glad this subject came up. Trying to be
: brief. Well, there is a lot of arrogance
: with vlax Roma. Of course they should be
: proud of their blood lines. They payed
: their dues to keep the blood. However,
: there are people who are just as
: "gypsy" and sometimes more so.
: Example could be Romanichal who comes from
: maybe a father who has very very good Rom
: blood and this individual may show very high
: quality true Gypsy instincts and ways and
: behaviour just automatically because of the
: blood. This is a very weird thing to see.
: Some Romanitchals come from very high good
: Lowari the best horse people in the western
: world. Thats why the British Army respected
: them. Also the psychology of American or
: Canadian Vlax Roma can be really bizarre.
: They usually have extreme outsider values
: and act out in really freaky ways at time
: almost like reverse psycology as a
: protective style. Example is they reverse
: ignorance and unclean speach and thoughts
: exhibited on this site and in personal
: behaviour. A real learning experience is to
: see a light skinned person of Romanitchal
: background who is well-educated and is of
: wealth meeting say American Gypsies who
: "aint got jack" and got the whole
: image that goes with that.
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: i am romanichal and i know there have been
: romanichal in england for at least the last
: 500 years
: my people came to america in the 1850's.
: where we were between india and england
: before 500 years ago i do know know. but
: there is a misconception of english
: travellers and romanichal being the same.we
: are NOT. there is no connection blood
: wise.some romani call theirselves travellers
: because that is the english translation of
: the word romanichal(gypsies that go). as for
: us being light skinned...lol...no dont
: everyone jump me here but i dont recall
: seeing to many light skinned romanians or
: hungarians or serbs or and eastern european
: natives for that matter. that just means
: that just MAYBE if some vlax did intermarry
: it was with other dark people instead of the
: pale british we had to contend with....lol
:besides i promise when i was a boy we called
: ourselves romanichal, i didnt know we were
: english until i came into contact with irish
: travellers when i got older. it's funny we
: are only english gypsies when we meet other
: rom or travellers but amongst ourselves we
: are just romani.
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: romanychal have absolutlely butchered romanese...lol...so you have to overlook my spelling...lol..i dont think it is chal as in boy or fellow as it is jal or jawl as in go.
: most romanychal dont mean anyharm with calling vlax turks because they honestly have never heard the word vlax. or kalderesh or lovari for that matter .but they( i should mean we) are learning differently.
p.s. there is a romanychal chat room at talk city called shoebox but its mostly took over by travellers now though
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