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    Re: here is my theory,,,: Norwegian/Swedish emerald tiara Archived Message

    Posted by Didier on March 18, 2012, 11:59 am, in reply to "Re: here is my theory,,,: Norwegian/Swedish emerald tiara"

    Boris

    This late portrait of queen Josefina was painted from a photography taken around 1870. A more complete print of this photography (better than that reproduced by Göran Alm)is in the National Museum in Stockholm.
    If you take a close look, it seems she is wearing a set of "daywear" jewellery in colored stones with pearl surround, rather than diamonds.





    --Previous Message--
    : Congratulations on your research and its
    : results, Tamara!
    :
    : I find the theory of a smaller tiara owned
    : by CP Josefina used to form the emerald
    : tiara which is now with the Norwegian RF
    : very plausible.
    : To go by the depiction of jewels in
    : paintings is always frustrating, but in this
    : case the motifs of the tiara shown in the
    : painting of young CP Josefina are simply too
    : exact a match to be dismissed.
    :
    : The unknown parure worn by Queen Josefina
    : remains a real mystery; Göran Alm rather
    : helplessly says that the photo session is
    : ‘the only occasion on which this tiara was
    : seen’, and in Tamara’s post, you can see
    : that its elements are very similar to the
    : motifs in the Norwegian tiara, but still
    : they are - in contrast to the motifs of
    : young Josefina’s small tiara – not a real
    : match… which is quite mind-boggling.
    : Again, we don’t even know if the colored
    : stones in Josefina’s unknown tiara are
    : actually emeralds.
    :
    : So the possible timeline would be this,
    : following Tamara’s theory:
    :
    : CP Josefina already had a small emerald
    : tiara. At one point, Queen Josefina
    : inherited her sister Empress Amélie of
    : Brazil’s Napoleonic emerald tiara, most
    : likely created by Paris jeweller Pabst, and
    : said to have belonged to Empress Joséphine.
    : (NOTE: What’s the original source for this
    : last information?)
    :
    : Josefina’s smaller tiara was used to create
    : additional pieces of a parure to go with
    : Empress Amélie’s large emerald tiara. Some
    : of these pieces were later used to modify
    : the tiara itself.
    : Queen Sofia of Sweden is the first one
    : photographed wearing the new tiara and the
    : grand emerald necklace with at least one of
    : the pendants from Josefina’s smaller tiara:
    : Proof that either Josefina broke her own
    : smaller tiara up, or Sofia did so after
    : being given both pieces..
    : (The unknown tiara might or might not have
    : been broken up to be merged with this new
    : tiara.)
    :
    : Considering that there are only three years
    : in-between Amélie’s death and Josefina’s
    : death, I would say it’s more likely that
    : Queen Sofia broke up her mother-in-law’s
    : smaller emerald tiara and made the changes.
    :
    : Next, Princess Ingeborg is given the tiara,
    : and either she or Crown Princess Märtha (do
    : we know for sure who it was?) altered the
    : tiara, using some of the palmette motifs to
    : replace the drop emeralds which are turned
    : into earrings, removing further motifs as
    : pendants from the grand necklace and
    : choosing to spread those pendants all over
    : her family - to the delight and horror of us
    : royal jewelry watchers...
    :
    :
    : --Previous Message--
    : Interesting theory, Tamara.
    :
    : I can´t see all the connections you see, but
    : you never know with paintings. They might be
    : very accurate, they may not.
    :
    : It is highly possible, however, that the
    : original parure had both a tiara and a
    : smaller (yet grand) comb. Many of the grand
    : Napoleonic parures had both pieces.
    : The painting of the young Josephine could
    : show the comb, while the painting of the old
    : Queen could show the tiara.
    :
    : On the other hand, Queen Josephine
    : (1807-1876) is said to have inherited the
    : emerald parure from her sister, Empress
    : Amalie of Brazil (1812-1873), after the
    : letters death.
    : If this is true, the painting of a young
    : Queen Josephine shows different gems, or
    : different emeralds.
    :
    : --Previous Message--
    : There are few similarities between Norwegian
    : tiara and the one that Queen Josephine is
    : wearing but they are not the same....
    :
    : Well, where should I begin...I hit my
    : archives and what ever books I could think
    : of that might have had the similar design
    : tiaras...of course initially I thought this
    : un-identifited Queen Josephine's tiara
    : (parure) was dead on close to tiara of Queen
    : Sonja today...
    :
    : 1. The swirly diamond elements
    : "wavy" at the base of each tiara
    : is Identical.
    : 2. If you remove all the large palmette
    : elements and move the 5 large elements close
    : to each other, you got Queen Sonja's emerald
    : tiara.
    : 3. From the same angle (after numerous
    : search for the same angle photo) I found
    : that the swirly elements between Palmette
    : are much "Narrower" on Queen
    : Josephine than the one on Queen Sonja's
    : tiara...
    : 4. The stones are more oval on QJ's tiara
    : than on Queen Sonja's tiara.
    :
    : I put little collage together to show you
    : visually what I am discussing...
    :
    :
    : In addition to this...I did a little
    : research because I was even more intrigued
    : after Baxter (Thank you Baxter for extra set
    : of eyes )pointed out in the old discussion
    : that young Josephine's photo with emeralds,
    : in her tiara, the diamond elements were
    : similar to the diamond elements in Norwegian
    : parure drops.
    :
    : We always wondered how josephine wore
    : necklace, brooch that is now with Queen
    : Sonja and not connecting the tiara that is
    : now with Queen Sonja as well with the whole
    : picture...
    :
    :
    :
    :
    : here is my theory...
    :
    :
    : The painting that we saw of Queen Josephine
    : at a very young age in a brooch, necklace,
    : earrings and a tiara was most likely hers at
    : that age...it could have been gift from her
    : parents (after all) or her husband...which
    : is not too far fetched idea...but what I
    : want to point out is that her TIARA on that
    : painting matches ALL the elements that were
    : in the parure as we saw on CP Margaret of
    : Sweden at British coronation..Here is what I
    : mean
    :
    : 1. The diamond elements (wavy pieces above
    : emerald drops) that were used on top of
    : drops for the necklace are present in the
    : tiara on the painting.
    : 2. the large emerald stones on the tiara,
    : match drops on the necklace and its 7 of
    : them (see collage)
    : 3. the palmette is IDENTICAL in design and
    : even the small square emerald that's under
    : each palmette (the way palmette shaped and
    : goes into the emerald stone)..and when I
    : mean Identical..I mean identical lol....I
    : have circled everything in different colors
    : in the collage, so you'll get a better
    : visual sense...
    :
    : Every element from the tiara in that
    : painting has been observed in the parure
    : that exists today with Queen Sonja...So my
    : logical conclusion, is that, Queen Josephine
    : ONLY inherited emerald Tiara from her sister
    : and NOT a parure as people thought
    : initially. So, after inheriting this Grand
    : tiara, she dismatles her smaller version
    : tiara (from the painting) and creates drops
    : to have Grand Parure. Please look at my
    : collage closely....
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