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Queen Sophie of Greece tiara

Posted by Maria Olivia on October 16, 2023, 5:35 am

This was Queen Frederika's faviourite tiara . Never worn by Queen Anne Marie. Never seen for decades and now yesterday Princess Marie Chantal wore it.
If it is a present from Queen Frederika to her Grandson Pavlos , why was these tiara not worn immediately ? Marie Chantal wore her Daughter's Fringe tiara ?? A mistery

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Posted by Hanken on October 16, 2023, 7:19 am, in reply to "Queen Sophie of Greece tiara"

I am still convinced that it has a part of Princess Irene’s inheritance from her mother. An a reason why it has not been seen for years as Princess Irene has had no formal role. And would it not be perfect to bestow the Crownprincly couple with such an important piece?

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Posted by Cynthia on October 16, 2023, 10:01 am, in reply to "Re: Queen Sophie of Greece tiara"

Marie Chantal wore it 4-5 years ago, but I don't think she's worn it since then. I don't think Frederika left it to Irene, since it had been worn by two queens and not princesses. Who knows what logic they follow when choosing what tiara to wear?

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Posted by Glenn on October 16, 2023, 10:57 am, in reply to "Re: Queen Sophie of Greece tiara"

For years there has been a rumor that the tiara was left to Prince Nikolaos. And as he and Princess Tatiana have no children who can inherit it - I am sure the couple has (if the rumor is true) thought they would rather have the money and therefore sold it to Princess Marie Chantal at some point.

Again if the rumor is true - the reason why Princess Tatiana did not wear it before selling it - could be that it is an enormous tiara that perhaps was a bit overwhelming for a young princess.

Personally I have always believed it would make sense if it was like that.

But of cause I know nothing about the actual story of how the tiara came to Princess Marie Chantal.

Third time she wears the tiara - first in 2012

Posted by Torkel on October 16, 2023, 11:44 am, in reply to "Queen Sophie of Greece tiara"

Crown Princess Marie Chantal wore this tiara for the first time in Denmark in 2012, for the 40th Anniversary of Queen Margrethe´s reign.

COPENHAGEN, DENMARK - JANUARY 15: Crown Princess Marie-Chantal of Greece attends a Gala Dinner to celebrate Queen Margrethe II of Denmark's 40 years on the throne at Christiansborg Palace Chapel on January 15, 2012 in Copenhagen, Denmark. (Photo by Chris Jackson/Getty Images)

She then wore the tiara in Norway, for the 18th birthday celebrations of Princess Ingrid Alexandra in June 2022:
https://royalportraitsgallery.com/home/the-crown-prince-and-crown-princess-of-greece-attend-princess-ingrid-alexandras-18th-birthday-gala-dinner

Re: Third time she wears the tiara - first in 2012

Posted by John R on October 16, 2023, 12:50 pm, in reply to "Third time she wears the tiara - first in 2012"

I am not sure this Whopper is a success on MC. It seems too big and overwhelming for her and to be honest I have a slight difficulty with non crowned royals wearing very ostentatious headgear or other grand jewels for that matter.

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Crown Princess Marie Chantal wore this tiara for the first time in Denmark in 2012, for the 40th Anniversary of Queen Margrethe´s reign.

COPENHAGEN, DENMARK - JANUARY 15: Crown Princess Marie-Chantal of Greece attends a Gala Dinner to celebrate Queen Margrethe II of Denmark's 40 years on the throne at Christiansborg Palace Chapel on January 15, 2012 in Copenhagen, Denmark. (Photo by Chris Jackson/Getty Images)

She then wore the tiara in Norway, for the 18th birthday celebrations of Princess Ingrid Alexandra in June 2022:
https://royalportraitsgallery.com/home/the-crown-prince-and-crown-princess-of-greece-attend-princess-ingrid-alexandras-18th-birthday-gala-dinner

Re: Third time she wears the tiara - first in 2012

Posted by Johan on October 16, 2023, 1:13 pm, in reply to "Re: Third time she wears the tiara - first in 2012"

She is a princess of Greece and Denmark and if the monarchy was to be restored in Greece her husband would be king. No issues with her wearing historic family jewels. She has the money to keep them and not be forced to sell them.
I do think however she needs a chat with crown princess Mary about finding the right jeweller to make the tiara fit her head. Now it's simply too big.

As for the inheritance. Im quite sure Queen Frederika left the tiara directly to Paul. Greek queens and princesses did not leave the main jewels to their daughters. Frederika left Sofia the small Prussian tiara and some other pendants and brooches, Irene was left the diamond and pearl necklace/tiara and the diamond circle necklace/tiara. The last one Irene loaned to the Infanta Elena for the wedding celebrations of the oldest Wurttemberg duchess in the 1980's. Neither the diamond and pearl necklace/tiara nor the diamond circle necklace/tiara have been seen for ages. Irene lives modestly and with her sister so might not need the money. I think we might see at least one of these pieces on the Infanta Sofia but i don't believe for a second that Frederika left the tiara to anyone else than her grandson Pavlos.

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Posted by John R on October 16, 2023, 3:10 pm, in reply to "Re: Third time she wears the tiara - first in 2012"

The Greek monarchy restored? That ship has sailed. It was abolished. Period. I felt sympathy for Constantine and Anne Marie and fully understand their status among their peers remained unchanged as former King and Queen but extending that to the next generation and calling Constantines son and his wife the crown prince and princess? They are no heirs to a crown. It would be more appropriate to refer to them as Prince and Princess of Greece and Denmark, plain and simple. Wearing the grandest tiara at the party as such is therefor a bit questionable IMHO. Know your place.

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Posted by JohnAF on October 17, 2023, 4:08 am, in reply to "Re: Third time she wears the tiara - first in 2012"

Lots of ships have sailed. Austria, Romania, Bulgaria to name but three, ArchDukes, Kings, Crown Princes abound. Pavlos was born CP so no reason he should give up that title, if he upgraded himself to King on the death of his father & Constantine-Alexios upgraded to Crown Prince, then I think there would be cause for comment.

Greece and Denmark

Posted by 992234177 on October 17, 2023, 3:56 pm, in reply to "Re: Third time she wears the tiara - first in 2012"

So weird to me that they are Greece and Denmark when QM’s own grandchildren don’t have Denmark, how many Greek royals are also of Denmark. There must be more G&D then just Denmark.

Re: Greece and Denmark

Posted by Glenn on October 17, 2023, 3:57 pm, in reply to "Greece and Denmark"

Yes, but I think that technically the "of Denmark" - when it comes to the Greek family - is not a Danish title but part of their Greek title -and therefore the Danish Queen has no say about this.

Just like the sons of Prince Henrik and their family are also Counts/Countesses of Monpezat. A Danish creation. So if France had a King he could not take this title away from the Danish royals who have it.

Re: Greece and Denmark

Posted by 992234177 on October 17, 2023, 4:41 pm, in reply to "Re: Greece and Denmark"

Thank you Glenn, I had never thought that the of Denmark might be regarded as Greek, like the British Duke of Beaufort or the French Prince of Moscow

Re: Greece and Denmark

Posted by Glenn on October 17, 2023, 4:51 pm, in reply to "Re: Greece and Denmark"

Well that is how I have always understood it. That they are not two separate titles: of Greece (Greek title) and of Denmark (Danish). But one Greek title "of Greece and Denmark"

So Prince Nikolaos cannot all of a sudden start calling himself Prince Nikolaos of Denmark... because his title is "of Greece and Denmark"

Re: Third time she wears the tiara - first in 2012

Posted by Kongetro on October 18, 2023, 2:30 am, in reply to "Re: Third time she wears the tiara - first in 2012"

I am actually of the opposite view: if you have it, wear it! In fact, I think more people should wear tiaras at these types of events - be it royals or non-royals. In the case of "non-crowned" royals, wearing historical pieces like that is a excellent and elegant way to show a bond with the family's history. It is way better than having it gathering dust in some vault or just sitting in a glass box in some museum imho. Selling them off just because they are "ostentatious" to then be broken up never to been seen again is just sad. If it is due to other reasons (like splitting an inhertiance etc) it is of course more understandable.

And I must say that I much more prefer this tiara on the Crown Princess to the "difficult-to-spot" necklace she wore in her hair for Crown Prince Frederik's 50th birthday banquet.

But of course, this is just my opinion. Anyone is obviously entitled to their own

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Re: Third time she wears the tiara - first in 2012

Posted by Kongetro on October 18, 2023, 2:38 am, in reply to "Re: Third time she wears the tiara - first in 2012"

Quite right; if born a Crown Prince why should one be demoted down to a Prince all of a sudden? It would actually then make more sense to lose any title, becoming a meer commoner.

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Re: Third time she wears the tiara - first in 2012

Posted by John R on October 18, 2023, 8:05 am, in reply to "Re: Third time she wears the tiara - first in 2012"

From when he was born until the abolishment of the Greek monarchy he was heir to the Greek throne and could be called Crown Prince. I am not surre it was even an official Geek title. In most monarchies there does not exist an official title of Crown Prince(ss) in the constitution. Its merely a practise to label the heir(ess) as such rather that the title is officially bestowed. Since his father passed Pavlos became Head of the Greek branch of the House of Glücksburg (Prince of Schleswig-Holstein-Sonderburg-Glücksburg). Therefor it would be more appropriate to call him just that. And he's a Prince of Denmark of course. A good enough basis for the women to wear royal jewels but to deck yourself out as a reigning monarch is a bit presumptuous IMHO but I am sure MC would disagree!

And lastly: his aunt QMII demoted her own grandchildren from Prince to Count. They seem to do quite well without a title.

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Quite right; if born a Crown Prince why should one demoted down to a Prince all of a sudden? It would actually then make more sense to lose any title, becoming a meer commoner.

Re: Third time she wears the tiara - first in 2012

Posted by Lucas on October 18, 2023, 4:54 pm, in reply to "Re: Third time she wears the tiara - first in 2012"

Wasn't he officially called the diadoque?

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From when he was born until the abolishment of the Greek monarchy he was heir to the Greek throne and could be called Crown Prince. I am not surre it was even an official Geek title.

Re: Queen Sophie of Greece tiara

Posted by Bob on November 2, 2023, 11:57 am, in reply to "Queen Sophie of Greece tiara"

Could it be that the tiara was put up as security for a substantial loan and was not actually with the Greek RF until the loan was paid off and the tiara redeemed? Although Marie Chantale comes from a very wealthy family, I believe there periods when the Greek RF went through fiscally difficult times.

What is the timing between the tiara reappearing and the settlement the RF made with the Greek government?

Re: Queen Sophie of Greece tiara

Posted by Hanken on November 5, 2023, 2:07 am, in reply to "Re: Queen Sophie of Greece tiara"

Could be!
I also think that the Dowager Queen Ingrid did help the family with substantiel funds, the grandchildrens education etc at some point during 1980’s and 1990’s.
So they must have had trouble in keeping up their lifestyle.

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