Yes, 'Queen Victoria's Regal Circlet' also contained a varied number of interchangeable elements such as cross-pattees, fleur-de-lys, and honeysuckle. My point was that it was made up using diamonds that were taken from Queen Adelaide's dismantled circlet, which had in turn contained diamonds taken from Queen Charlotte's stomacher. And that a new circlet was made in order to include the Koh-i-Nur diamond.
Th Cumberland Diamond was replaced by the large stone, that was amongst the gift of many diamonds from the Sultan of Turkey following the Crimean War. Although this diamond is still set in a cluster, it is still a notably large stone - which is constantly pointed out in the various scholarship.
Yes, all three of the large pieces, 'The Diamond Diadem', 'Queen Victoria's Regal Circlet' and 'Queen Victoria's Oriental Circlet' were designated as heirlooms of the Crown by Queen Victoria in 1901. That is why I noted how they passed between Queens in 1910 and 1936.
I merely included the Crown circlet of Queen Mary and Queen Elizabeth to identify that they did wear them as circlets frequently. This was to clarify to people that if they have seen images of Queen Mary or Queen Elizabeth wearing a circlet, then it is likely to be their own and not Queen Victoria's Regal Circlet or another piece.
As for the list of the circlet owned by the current Queen, and the inclusion of Queen Mary's and Queen Elizabeth's; I included these to show all the circlets that are at the use of The Queen, and future royal women, although I agree it is unlikely that The Queen would ever wear these pieces, she is in full right to do so, just as she is in full right to wear 'Queen Victoria's Small Diamond Crown' as they are all her property. Despite being housed in the Jewel House of the Tower of London, all the aforementioned crowns and their circlets are part of the Royal Collection thus at The Queen's disposal to wear.
I used a whole host of sources, nearly everything that has been written including:
Roberts, Bury (Both her article on the hanoverian claim for the World Jewellery Fair Handbook, and the Appendix of Jewellery), Rudoe's article of Queen Charlotte's Jewels, Garrard - history of the crown jewellers - Munn - Field and Menkes - The Times and other contemporary periodicals - and more, however I do not have access right now to my bibliography to check.
--Previous Message-- : : Thank you Boffer for sharing your work at : this point. : : I nodded as I read it but had questions at : various points. The following remarks are : just from off the top of my head. : : 1853 Garrard ledger page, for the QV RC, : shows that it was to be in a variety of : forms. Alternate sets of elements. : : I thought the largest Cumberland was : replaced by a cluster. : : At least the Oriental and QVRC were left by : Queen Victoria to the Crown (Twining). : : If you identify the two latest crowns of : queen consorts as circlets I think that is : wrong to do. : Unnecesary and highly likely to confuse : people. Perhaps I have misunderstood what : you have written. : But I think it is inconceivable that the : Queen would ever consider, for one moment, : wearing either of those crowns, without : their arches. : : And I am interested to learn your sources, : in due course. I don't always agree totally : with conclusions you draw. : And do you have the work by Judy Rudoe on : Queen Charlotte's jewels? I might have to : read it again. : : : : :
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