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    Re: British Circlets Archived Message

    Posted by Nellie on June 29, 2012, 5:54 am, in reply to "Re: British Circlets"


    Thanks for your explanation but I do not think everyone will read your notes the way you intended.
    Edit: That is not quite what I mean to convey.
    I think you are stretching traditional meanings for jewels.
    I don't feel that is beneficial from a research point of view.
    it is an extremely personal [i]interpretation[/i] that you use.
    i hope that is clearer?

    --Previous Message--
    : Nellie,
    :
    : Yes, 'Queen Victoria's Regal Circlet' also
    : contained a varied number of interchangeable
    : elements such as cross-pattees,
    : fleur-de-lys, and honeysuckle.
    : My point was that it was made up using
    : diamonds that were taken from Queen
    : Adelaide's dismantled circlet, which had in
    : turn contained diamonds taken from Queen
    : Charlotte's stomacher. And that a new
    : circlet was made in order to include the
    : Koh-i-Nur diamond.
    :
    : Th Cumberland Diamond was replaced by the
    : large stone, that was amongst the gift of
    : many diamonds from the Sultan of Turkey
    : following the Crimean War. Although this
    : diamond is still set in a cluster, it is
    : still a notably large stone - which is
    : constantly pointed out in the various
    : scholarship.
    :
    : Yes, all three of the large pieces, 'The
    : Diamond Diadem', 'Queen Victoria's Regal
    : Circlet' and 'Queen Victoria's Oriental
    : Circlet' were designated as heirlooms of the
    : Crown by Queen Victoria in 1901. That is why
    : I noted how they passed between Queens in
    : 1910 and 1936.
    :
    : I merely included the Crown circlet of Queen
    : Mary and Queen Elizabeth to identify that
    : they did wear them as circlets frequently.
    : This was to clarify to people that if they
    : have seen images of Queen Mary or Queen
    : Elizabeth wearing a circlet, then it is
    : likely to be their own and not Queen
    : Victoria's Regal Circlet or another piece.
    :
    : As for the list of the circlet owned by the
    : current Queen, and the inclusion of Queen
    : Mary's and Queen Elizabeth's; I included
    : these to show all the circlets that are at
    : the use of The Queen, and future royal
    : women, although I agree it is unlikely that
    : The Queen would ever wear these pieces, she
    : is in full right to do so, just as she is in
    : full right to wear 'Queen Victoria's Small
    : Diamond Crown' as they are all her property.
    : Despite being housed in the Jewel House of
    : the Tower of London, all the aforementioned
    : crowns and their circlets are part of the
    : Royal Collection thus at The Queen's
    : disposal to wear.
    :
    : I used a whole host of sources, nearly
    : everything that has been written including:
    :
    : Roberts, Bury (Both her article on the
    : hanoverian claim for the World Jewellery
    : Fair Handbook, and the Appendix of
    : Jewellery), Rudoe's article of Queen
    : Charlotte's Jewels, Garrard - history of the
    : crown jewellers - Munn - Field and Menkes -
    : The Times and other contemporary periodicals
    : - and more, however I do not have access
    : right now to my bibliography to check.


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