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    Re: QV Regal Circlet & Cumberland Archived Message

    Posted by Nellie on June 29, 2012, 7:41 pm, in reply to "Re: QV Regal Circlet & Cumberland"


    Thanks Boffer.
    The Cumberland was in in 1853 and the Turkish not until 1858.
    However, your third para, from Bury, does not fit with this.

    It is never surpriing to find respected authors differ in places.

    I'll read Roberts again at some point and am happy to leave the issue now.

    I just found that your highly concise notes blurred what I think might be from evidence and what is from your assumptions or interpretation. Brevity is not always advisable.

    --Previous Message--
    : To the best of my knowledge the Cumberland
    : Diamond was set in the front of the band of
    : the 'Queen Victoria's Regal Circlet', it was
    : only replaced by the large diamond from the
    : Sultan of Turkey in 1858, when the
    : Cumberland Diamond was returned to Hanover.
    :
    : Thus the diamond from the Sultan of Turkey
    : was in the centre of the band from 1858 to
    : 1937; this diamond was not originally set in
    : the band of the circlet as it was given to
    : Queen Victoria until 1856, thus it could not
    : have been set in the original circlet which
    : was made in 1853.
    :
    : What's more, Bury reveals that all the
    : diamonds from the band of the circlet were
    : removed and handed over to Hanover, being
    : replaced by diamonds provided by Garrard,
    : all except the large central diamond from
    : Turkey.
    :
    : It is Roberts himself on page 48 who states
    : that this large diamond from the Sultan of
    : Turkey "was used to replace the
    : Cumberland Diamond in the Regal Circlet,
    : which was reset in 1858". Which is what
    : has led me to my conclusion that the
    : Cumberland Diamond was set in the centre of
    : the band of the regal circlet, and was
    : replaced by the Turkish diamond in 1858.
    : This turkish diamond still occupies the same
    : position in the centre of the band of Queen
    : Elizabeth's Crown (I will use this term from
    : now, apologies for any confusion it may have
    : caused).
    :
    : In terms of the Garrard Royal Ledger that
    : mentions that the Cumberland Diamond was set
    : into the centre of a cluster, of large
    : diamonds surrounded by small roses. This to
    : me, indicates that the Cumberland Diamond
    : could be worn in this cluster in the centre
    : of the large Honeysuckle Brooch (in place of
    : the Koh-i-Nor). Yet when not being worn in
    : this cluster and brooch, it was worn in the
    : centre of the band of the circlet.
    :

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