Re: Duchess of Cambridge in Lotus Tiara Archived Message
Posted by Martina on December 4, 2013, 5:40 am, in reply to "Re: Duchess of Cambridge in Lotus Tiara"
Alex G, I think that the Queen Mother at some point lent three of her tiaras to an exhibition: the Strathmore rose, the Teck crescent and the Delhi Durbar. So it must have belonged to her. --Previous Message-- : Thanks Nellie, : Quick question - can you please remind me : how we know the Durbar was left by Queen : Mary to Queen Elizabeth II? Have we seen it : on Queen Mary after 1947 when the Queen : Mother wore it in South Africa ? How do we : know it wasn't considered a family piece and : given for use to the QM, who may have held : on to it, as she did with the Crown pieces : she liked. : I don't quite see how the Queen Mother would : have kept pieces that Queen Mary had with : her at her death and intended the current : Queen have and use (irrespective of who : actually owns them, ie Crown pieces or : "family pieces"). : Finally, re the Teck pieces Stefan mentions : further up - do you think Roberts may be : wrong or is it just possession vs ownership : you are alluding to? : Many thanks : : --Previous Message-- : : The last first. The Durbar tiara for one. : : As for items worn by Margaret, it probably : amounted to where the best safes were, and : how big they were. : : : --Previous Message-- : I thought about that as well, but aren't : there : several brooches that the Queen now wears, : as well as her wedding tiara (which appeared : only after the QM's death)? So she clearly : went through her mother's collection and : picked up a few things over and above the : Crown pieces. I don't know if the : "trove" ever left Clarence House : or the Queen went to inspect them, but I : agree they were probably soon back in the : vaults there as soon as that issue was : arranged. : : I think it's an interesting question re the : pieces Princess Margaret was loaned by her : mother and their whereabouts during Princess : Margaret's life - were they at Clarence : House and loaned to her on occasion or : permanently on loan with Princess Margaret : at Kensington Palace? : : Finally Nellie, what pieces do you mean when : you refer to jewels left by Queen Mary to : Queen Elizabeth II ? I thought those were : given to the Queen immediately after Queen : Mary's death. Thanks : : --Previous Message-- : : I see things a bit differently. : : I suspect that jewels were simply never : removed from Clarence house at all - except : for those items we know are heirlooms of the : crown (I like this expression that Roberts : introduced) and which have been worn since : by the Queen. : Also except for some jewels inherited by the : Queen from Queen Mary but which the Queen : Mother kept holding or wearing. : : There could easily be some disputation as : well over ownerships, and down the years. : But there really is no need to air it all in : public. : That is how I see things. : : And as a footnote, I thought that Roberts : handled the broad topic of inheritances : ultra discreetly in The Queen's Diamonds. : The texts move ever so defly between : expressions. : : : --Previous Message-- : I agree with you Alex, it seems that the : vast : majority of the Queen Mother's jewels was : put at the disposal of Prince Charles's : family. : I'm really surprised to see the Lotus tiara, : and I'm happy to see it returned to the : royal vaults, so we can have occasions to : see it in use again. It really suits the : duchess of Cambridge. What a nice surprise : we had tonight! : : --Previous Message-- : Thank you jinja, interesting to realise that : Princess Margaret may not have owned that : many pieces after all. : I suspect that the Queen Mother's jewels : were, in their vast majority, put at the : disposal of Prince Charles and his : "House". The Crown pieces, such as : the Oriental Circlet and the ruby necklace : would have reverted to the Queen as they : were long due to do so and we know she chose : a few sentimental pieces as well. I think : the rest was left to Charles for his wife : and future daughters in law to use. It would : be wonderful to see the Duchess in the : turquoise tiara or the Teck necklace one day : soon, wouldn't it? : : --Previous Message-- : None of the tiaras Princess Margaret wore, : except the Poltimore, were sold at auction. : I think it is likely that the lotus tiara : never belonged to Princess Margaret, but was : always the property of the Queen Mother, : until the Queen inherited it. There is the : odd picture of one of the Queen Mother's : employees with the tiara askew on his head. : I think we have surmised that it had just : been retrieved from the vaults, very likely : at the last minute if the Poltimore tiara : broke, for Serena Stanhope's wedding. The : family tiaras Margaret wore may all have : been loans from her mother. The lotus tiara : was originally the Queen Mother's private : property (starting when she was Duchess of : York), and therefore it is not part of the : jewels reserved for the monarch. It stands : to reason that, like the Duchess of : Cambridge's wedding tiara, these tiaras are : available for her to wear. : : : : : : : : : : : : :
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