Re: Duchess of Cambridge in Lotus Tiara Archived Message
Posted by Alex G  on December 4, 2013, 7:08 am, in reply to "Re: Duchess of Cambridge in Lotus Tiara"
Thank you Nellie, all very informative.
I see your point much better now. I agree with your post further down it is all very blurry and we will probably never know the exact details of these matters.
--Previous Message--
:
: Re the Durbar, Roberts says Queen Mary
: loaned it to Queen Elizabeth (ie the Queen
: Mother) and that the Queen has loaned it to
: the Duchess of Cornwall.
:
: I recall that, well before the QD, the
: forerunner to the British Monarchy site made
: the ownership of the Durbar very clear.
:
: From 2005, here are some Q&As two months
: apart, in 2005 in Royal Insight which read
: like an intentional correction of the
: record, to me.
:
: Royal Insight Q&A Aug 2005 --
: Q: Sender - MD, USA
I was recently
: reading a biography of Queen Mary (the
: present Queen's grandmother) and wondered,
: is the tiara that she wore to the Indian
: Durbar still in existence? I can't recall
: the present Queen ever wearing it?
A:
: Queen Mary's Delhi Durbar crown is still in
: existence. It latterly belonged to Queen
: Elizabeth The Queen Mother, but is now in
: the private collection of The Queen. The
: crown has been altered somewhat, as it no
: longer contains the Cullinan III and IV
: diamonds.
:
: Then 2 months later -
: Royal Insight Q&A Nov 2005 --
: Q: Jenni - Northumberland
Could you
: please tell me more about the lovely tiara
: which The Duchess of Cornwall wore at the
: banquet for the King and Queen of
: Norway?
A:
The tiara worn by
: The Duchess of Cornwall to the banquet for
: the King and Queen of Norway is known as the
: Durbar Tiara as it was made for Queen Mary
: to wear to the Delhi Durbar in 1912, during
: her husband George V's reign as Emperor of
: India.
: The tiara consists of a circlet of
: brilliant-cut diamonds mounted in gold and
: set in platinum, arranged as forget-me-nots
: and lyres.
: In 1947, Queen Mary lent the tiara to Queen
: Elizabeth (later Queen Elizabeth The Queen
: Mother) for an official visit to South
: Africa by the King and Queen. The tiara
: remained with Queen Elizabeth, before being
: passed on to the current Queen, though it
: has never been worn by Her Majesty.
: The Queen loaned the tiara to The Duchess of
: Cornwall for the Norwegian banquet.
:
: ----------
: I do think that a lot of what Roberts has
: written deals with possession as you put it
: (custody perhaps?) rather than ownership.
: Again, that does not matter greatly.
:
:
: --Previous Message--
: Thanks Nellie,
: Quick question - can you please remind me
: how we know the Durbar was left by Queen
: Mary to Queen Elizabeth II? Have we seen it
: on Queen Mary after 1947 when the Queen
: Mother wore it in South Africa ? How do we
: know it wasn't considered a family piece and
: given for use to the QM, who may have held
: on to it, as she did with the Crown pieces
: she liked.
: I don't quite see how the Queen Mother would
: have kept pieces that Queen Mary had with
: her at her death and intended the current
: Queen have and use (irrespective of who
: actually owns them, ie Crown pieces or
: "family pieces").
: Finally, re the Teck pieces Stefan mentions
: further up - do you think Roberts may be
: wrong or is it just possession vs ownership
: you are alluding to?
: Many thanks
:
: --Previous Message--
:
: The last first. The Durbar tiara for one.
:
: As for items worn by Margaret, it probably
: amounted to where the best safes were, and
: how big they were.
:
:
: --Previous Message--
: I thought about that as well, but aren't
: there
: several brooches that the Queen now wears,
: as well as her wedding tiara (which appeared
: only after the QM's death)? So she clearly
: went through her mother's collection and
: picked up a few things over and above the
: Crown pieces. I don't know if the
: "trove" ever left Clarence House
: or the Queen went to inspect them, but I
: agree they were probably soon back in the
: vaults there as soon as that issue was
: arranged.
:
: I think it's an interesting question re the
: pieces Princess Margaret was loaned by her
: mother and their whereabouts during Princess
: Margaret's life - were they at Clarence
: House and loaned to her on occasion or
: permanently on loan with Princess Margaret
: at Kensington Palace?
:
: Finally Nellie, what pieces do you mean when
: you refer to jewels left by Queen Mary to
: Queen Elizabeth II ? I thought those were
: given to the Queen immediately after Queen
: Mary's death. Thanks
:
: --Previous Message--
:
: I see things a bit differently.
:
: I suspect that jewels were simply never
: removed from Clarence house at all - except
: for those items we know are heirlooms of the
: crown (I like this expression that Roberts
: introduced) and which have been worn since
: by the Queen.
: Also except for some jewels inherited by the
: Queen from Queen Mary but which the Queen
: Mother kept holding or wearing.
:
: There could easily be some disputation as
: well over ownerships, and down the years.
: But there really is no need to air it all in
: public.
: That is how I see things.
:
: And as a footnote, I thought that Roberts
: handled the broad topic of inheritances
: ultra discreetly in The Queen's Diamonds.
: The texts move ever so defly between
: expressions.
:
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