Re: set and unset versions - see left Archived Message
Posted by Nellie on May 11, 2014, 7:54 pm, in reply to "Re: Evidence from photo Nellie used Re: The story of the necklace…"
Laurence - you have clarified this for us. It does seem that some photos are of the diamonds positioned, unset, in a presentation case, and of course they lie along a centre line. The necklace was set with the major diamonds attached above their centres. See left back to the margin to see pics --Previous Message-- : The other difference is that in the newspaper : picture the stones are much further apart, : particularly the baguettes in the clasp. The : other thing that I noticed is that none of : the diamonds in the other three gifts are in : settings, all the stones are loose. In the : picture of the bracelet for Princess : Margaret there is no clasp. That to me says : that the stones for the necklace were also : unset. It is possible that the newspaper : photos were taken before the stones were set : and the presentation of the gifts was after : the stones were set. Either way there is no : reason to think that Garard did not make the : setting. The real question is when was the : setting made, before or after the gifts were : presented. : : Laurence : : : --Previous Message-- : Thank you Laurence. You have spotted : something : significant. In the presentation case the : linking diamonds are definitely in the : centre; yet, at the upper edge in the : necklace as it is today. I find it almost : impossible to tell if there is any setting : work visible in the presentation case, : although I believe I can see claws around : the large round diamonds. Even with high : quality photos (as per in the Queen's : Diamonds) the setting is almost invisible. : I find it impossible to say if the linking : diamonds are centred or at the top of the : setting in the photo Bryce used. : : --Previous Message-- : I think I may have figured it out. The : newspaper picture shows the diamonds in the : display box with the 21 diamonds centred : between the smaller diamonds (all stones are : attached from the centre). The necklace as : worn has the smaller diamonds connected to : the edge of the 21 large stones. The shorter : version of the necklace is still set that : way. The bracelet has all of the stones : centred. I think the newspaper photo shows : the stones unset, but arranged as they would : be once set. The newspaper photo does not : show any hint of a setting. : : Laurence : : --Previous Message-- : Thank you Nellie. This may be one of those : mysteries which will have to wait for future : historians to unravel when additional : information is available. : : --Previous Message-- : : I still don't know what to think. : But Garrard probably made the necklace - : either before presentation or after. : : : --Previous Message-- : The evidence from the photo Nellie posted : above : : : : : : : http://members2.boardhost.com/royal-jewels/msg/1399628144.html : would suggest that the necklace was : presented to Princess Elizabeth in a : 'standard' jewellery box (as per the photo : published by the Sydney Morning Herald) and : not a silver casket as described by Field. : : --Previous Message-- : The photo published in the Sydney Morning : Herald shows the necklace in a 'standard' : presentation case for jewellery. I wonder : where Field got her information from? : : --Previous Message-- : This from Fields book I don’t know how : accurate it is but here it goes. : Pss Elizabeth was presented by Field-Marshal : Smuts with her gift from the Government: a : silver casket containing a long chain : necklace of 21 large diamonds that had be : cut and polished in Johannesburg, the : largest of which was 10 carats. Forming : connecting links between each of the 21 main : stones were two small brilliant-cut diamonds : mounted on either side of a baguette : diamond. The casket was handed to Pss : Elizabeth as she stood by a microphone and : the entire nation heard her gasp of delight : when she saw the necklace. From that night : on, she always called them ‘my best : diamonds’. : PJ : : --Previous Message-- : : : …from The Queen's Diamonds : : The gift from the Government of the Union of : South Africa consisted of a long chain of 21 : graduated brilliants - the largest of 10 : carats - each separated by a baguette and : two small brilliants." : The necklace was presented in this : configuation on 21 April 1947. : : The detachable snap-piece was added later : using a 6 carat stone given to her by the : Chariman of De Beers on 18 April. : : The necklace was exhibited in this form with : her wedding presents. : : In my earlier pic the Queen wears the : necklace on a visit to Paris in May 1948. : : Five years later the necklace was shortened : to 15 large stones and a bracelet made from : the six removed and the snap-piece. : : Edit: Footnote - According to Charlotte : Gere and John Culme with William Summers in : "Garrard The Crown Jewellers for 150 : Years 1843 1993", : the 21 diamonds were presented to Princess : Elizabeth unset, then Garrard made the : necklace in London. : : : : : : : : : : : : : : : : : : : :
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