As ever Nellie you provide us with information which makes us think. If the clasps of the bracelets worn by the various queens are not a match with the images posted by the Royal Collection, then they are very close. (I think they are the same, but am still open to other arguments) Wouldn't it be wonderful if the Royal Collection provided more information, but I don't think that is going to happen over night. In the meantime, we can all have a stimulating time trying to piece together the clues.
--Previous Message-- : : I am not sure. They do not have to be a : match. : The cyphers were used on jewels given to : people, not exactly as a family order, but : with similar purpose, I believe. : There could be many versions in existence. : : The Royal Order of Victoria and Albert was a : one-off type of order, in classes and not : restricted to the Royal Family. : Before that the monarch had often bestowed a : miniature portrait or other jewel on certain : people. : For William IV, it had been thought there : were none, but Queen Mary recorded that he : made gifts of jewellery to his family in : lieu of an Order - blue enamelled and : diamond clasps bearing his cipher and Queen : Adelaide's. : : Ref: Royal Insignia, British and Foreign : Orders of Chivalry from the Royal Collection : , Stephen Patterson, The Royal Collection, : 1996 : : : : : : : : --Previous Message-- : Thank you Mauriz for the side by side : comparison. I agree with you. : : --Previous Message-- : --Previous Message-- : : A good look at the diamonds, which looks : more like two rows in the surround. : : : I think the brooches are a match, the rose : shape is quite recognizable in the blow-up : of the bracelet, as is the shape of the : cipher AR: : : : : : : : : :