Thank you for your thorough explanation and comprehensive classification. I will save it, it will help me to sort out all these similar-looking diamond rivières...
Regarding the diamond rivières coming from the Queen Mother, I wonder if the necklace you call the ‘Duchess of York rivière’ (the one worn with the Cartier Halo Tiara, picture B on Nellie’s panel) could be the same worn by the young Queen Elizabeth II, as its diamond collets look smaller than the ones worn on the other pictures of the Queen Mother. But that’s just speculation from me, as I have nothing to prove it without doubt. And I may be tricked by the picture’s blurriness.
I do not know if QEQM wore the Duchess of Teck’s rivière after Queen Mary bequeathed it to her in 1953. It is probably even more difficult to identify it with certainty on pictures since this 46-brilliant rivière includes 10 detachable collets (H. Roberts, The Queen’s Diamonds, page 126, footnote nr. 6), so the necklace can be reduced to 36 collets (Roberts mentions it was photographed with 36 collets in Queen Mary’s Jewels Inventory).
Regarding the diamond rivières worn by Queen Elizabeth II, thank you for distinguishing Queen Alexandra’s Collet Necklace (a- in your classification) and the other collet necklace (b-). I initially thought they were the same necklace, but you are right when noticing they have a different length (Queen Alexandra’s Collet Necklace is closer to the neck). And if Queen Alexandra’s Collet Necklace had been worn by the Queen in Wales, New-Zealand and the UAE, I suspect that Hugh Roberts would have added one or two pictures in his book. I would add that Queen Alexandra’s collets are almost of equal size, whereas the collets in the other necklace looks (slightly) graduated.
Queen Alexandra’s Collet Necklace (from Roberts’ The Queen’s Diamonds):
The other collet necklace, worn in the United Arab Emirates (cropped from a larger HQ picture, posted probably by Tamara on this board):
We can notice that the frontal collet of this necklace has a square shape, which we can spot too on the picture of the Queen at the Royal Variety Performance in 2012 (b-4° in your classification).
I have tried to enlarge the picture of the young Queen Elizabeth II. But as you can see, the picture remains too blurry to draw a definitive conclusion.
--Previous Message-- : Dear Arthur, : : Further to your email below please find my : comments. : : 1° Concerning the collet diamond necklaces : from Queen Elizabeth the Queen Mother : : : We know that she has on least 3 diamond : collets necklaces from her mother. Queen : Elizabeth the Queen Mother wore the 3 : necklaces at her daughter coronation in : 1953. : : Afterwards, she usually wore 2 diamonds : collets necklaces : : : - the "duchess of york" collet : diamond necklace ; : - the coronation collet diamond necklace ; : : She might have never worn after the : coronation the Duchess of Teck's collet : necklace. : : Please find below the panel made by our dear : Nellie ! : : [img] [/img] : : 2° We also know that Queen Elizabeth II has : worn on least 3 differents collet diamonds : necklaces. (2 of them might be form Queen : Mary) : : a- Queen Alexandra's collet diamond necklace : : : : [img] [/img] : : b- an other one she also wears with tiaras : (excuse me for the bad quality of the photos : from getty images) : : The necklace is longer than the Queen : Alexandra's diamond necklace. On the : contrary the collets are smaller. : : 1° In New Zealand : : : [img] [/img] : : 2° in Wales : : : [img] [/img] : : 3° in UAE : : : : : 4° at an other event : : : [img] [/img] : : c- an other diamond collet necklace worn in : 2012 : : : The diamond in this necklace are very small : compared to the two others diamonds : necklaces worn by Queen Elizabeth II : : : [img] [/img] : : [img] [/img] : : d- the diamond collet necklace worn by : Princess Elizabeth : : She wore this necklace at on least 3 events. : : Dear Arthur, can you enlarge this photo to : confirm if it is the n°C or B° ? (I don't : think so) The collet in this necklace are : bigger than c° and smaller than B°. : : [img] [/img] : : Best regards, : : Franck : : --Previous Message-- : : Lengthening and shortening did go on, in all : generations I suspect, which makes these : identifications so problematic. : : : --Previous Message-- : Bonjour Franck, : : I am a bit puzzled by your message. For me, : the rivières worn by Queen Elizabeth II on : Bryce's initial picture, at the opening : ceremony of the London Olympic Games and : possibly on your post's first picture (taken : on 19 November 2012 at a Royal Variety : Performance) look very much alike, so I : suspect they could be the same. But of : course, with so many rivières available for : the Queen, I can be wrong... : : Queen(-Mother) Elizabeth's Coronation : rivière was inherited by the Queen in 2002, : but has been loaned to the Duchess of : Cornwall, who had it shortened by nine : collets (source: Hugh Roberts' The Queen's : Diamonds ). : : : --Previous Message-- : Dear Bryce, : : What an interesting photo ! : : Please note that from my own point of : view,Queen Elizabeth II has on least 6 : diamonds collets necklaces : : : 1° From Queen Elizabeth the Queen Mother : : : - The Duchess of Teck's collet necklace : ((The lowest of the diamond collet necklaces : owned by Queen Mary) : - The Queen Elizabeth's coronation necklace : (was given to Queen Elizabeth by King George : VI to mark their coronation on 12 May 1937) : ; : - The diamond collett necklace given as : Duchess of York by the Duke of York : (Purchased by the Duke of York with the : Queen Elizabeth's Halo Tiara barely three : weeks before he succeeded his brother as : King George VI ( From Field and the QD) : : Nellie also made a panel of the collet : diamond necklaces owned by Queen Elizabeth : the Queen Mother. : - 2°Queen Elizabeth II : : : We know that she inherited on least 2 collet : diamond necklaces from Queen Mary (She had 8 : principal collet diamond necklaces) : : - From that we know that she had Queen : Alexandra's collet necklace. : Queen Elizabeth II wore this necklace in : Toronto in 2010. I have never seen a photo : Queen Elizabeth this necklace at an other : event. : - an longest collet diamond necklace. She : wore this necklace in New Zealand, in Wales, : in UAE in 2010.This diamond necklace is the : most worn by Queen Elizabeth II ; : [img] [/img] : : - a small diamond collet necklace worn at : the opening ceremony at the Olympic Games in : 2012. (To me it is the only time she has : worn this necklace) : [img] [/img] : [img] [/img] : - An other one diamond necklace worn when : she was young (Your post) - She has also : worn this collet nekclace with a black dress : when she was worn - I don't know if it the : same as the below one - What do you think ? : The collets seems biggers ? : : Please also note that I have asked the site : "the Queen's jewels vault' to do the : modifications. : : Best regards, : : Franck : : --Previous Message-- : In Arthur's first picture, it is nice to see : HM wearing her corsage badge of the Imperial : Order of the Crown of India which we will no : doubt never seen worn again. : : : : Cheers! : Bryce : : : --Previous Message-- : Hello Bryce, : : judging from the picture below, which seems : to be from the same event, I think it is : indeed a diamond collet rivière. : : : : I think that this diamond rivière, which : seems to be made of rather small collets (if : compared, for instance, to the bigger : collets of Queen Victoria's Coronation : Necklace), could be the same as the one worn : by the Queen on 27 July 2012 for the opening : ceremony of the London Olympic Games: : : : : It is probably one of the many rivières that : Queen Mary loved to pile on one another : around her neck... : : : : : --Previous Message-- : Can anyone confirm that this is a necklace : of : collet diamonds. It is always hard to tell : them apart but, if anyone happens to know : which necklace this is, that would be great. : : At first I thought it might be the South : African necklace but there does not seem to : be the right spacing between collets. : : I do not recall HM wearing collets (other : than the Coronation NL) very often so this : photo seems a bit rare to me. : : As always, I would appreciate your insight. : : : : Cheers! : Bryce : : : : : : : : : : : :
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