Posted by Nellie on January 10, 2014, 5:08 pm, in reply to "Re:"the State""
Ok. I see your thinking. But I have no difficulty with the expression for jewels and similar property. Simply stuff that goes with the job.
Edit: I must add two points.
The heirlooms of the crown "go with the job" so they would not revert to the individuals when they leave the job.
Not to "the government" either. Let's keep that body out of all this. Any elected government is never a candidate for "ownership" rights: not even parliament. The State or the Nation are enough.
But this does show how changing the status of a piece of property to "heirloom of the crown" does remove the piece from family coffers for all time. My understanding, of course.
--Previous Message-- : You can put Crown instead of State in my : previous message and it is the same idea : (even though the State is a much wider : concept, of course). : What I was pointing out is that calling : these jewels Heirlooms of the Crown, or : jewels belonging to the Crown is, in my : theory, a source of confusion for some. : I think they are not the property of the : Crown/State in the same way as Buckingham : Palace or the Crown Estate is, where things : are very clear (ie they are State property). : I would argue they are entailed on the Queen : and Her successors as Sovereigns. Should : that change, the entail would end and they : would revert to the individuals and not the : new Government. : : : : --Previous Message-- : : Alex - I'm not sure that we do understand : each other. I would leave "the : State" out of this crown business. : : "the State" is a concept too : which, in this day and age could mean : anything! : If we got opinions from a dozen QCs we would : probably have a dozen different opinions. : : I think "the State" means the : people, the parliament, and the crown. All : of that and possibly more. : : : --Previous Message-- : I just read your explanation below and I am : happy you see my point! What annoys me is : much too often the press or some authors : infer some of these "Crown" items : belong to the State in the same way the : Crown Estate does and I think that is wrong. : "Heirlooms of the Crown" is an : interesting way to put it, but I think : "heirlooms of the Monarch" would : have been even more to the point if our : theory is indeed correct. : : : : :