Re: Movement of Queen Mary's Jewellery Archived Message
Posted by merlin  on September 1, 2014, 6:16 am, in reply to "Re: Movement of Queen Mary's Jewellery"
Arthur might well be right I don't see much evidence of a third fringe.
What I do still think is that there is no visual evidence I have ever seen of QEQM wearing a fringe necklace as Queen.
All those evening events in Canada and South Africa along with a host at home.
I could well accept that on Queen Mary's death in 1953 the present Queen waved her bequest of the Diamond Fringe Necklace and let her Mother have a life time loan of it.
I come back to my original point that it is 1953 of all years that QEQM starts to wear the fringe necklace.
And from then it comes out often.
--Previous Message--
:
: Arthur - your paras -
:
: First - I completely agree, and think there
: was also that gorgeous pearl brooch of QV
:
: Second - strongly support you there. I have
: never seen it, as far as I can possibly
: know.
:
: Third - not really convinced - not the same
: need.
:
: Don't know about the sapphires.
:
: Final - I strongly support that the Durbar
: never belonged to QEQM. Years ago the Royal
: Insight Q&As supported my belief.
:
:
: --Previous Message--
: Apparently, for whatever reason, Queen
: Elizabeth the Queen Mother retained with
: her, after her husband's death and her
: daughter's accession, several of the jewels
: considered as Crown heirlooms, which she had
: received from Queen Mary in 1936 and which
: she should normally have handed over to
: Queen Elizabeth II in 1952. The most famous
: examples are Queen Victoria's Oriental
: Diadem and Ruby Parure and Queen Victoria's
: Household Diamond Jubilee Brooch, but it is
: also the case with Queen Adelaide's Fringe
: Necklace (Hugh Roberts' The Queen's
: Diamonds explicitely confirms that it was
: retained by the Queen Mother until her death
: in 2002). The Queen (Elizabeth II) would
: have been entitled to claim these jewels
: back as soon as 1952, but she probably did
: not want to enter an argument with her
: mother (considering probably she had enough
: jewels for herself on her own).
:
: Therefore, I am getting more and more
: suspicious about the very existence of a
: fringe necklace from Princess Victoria. As
: far as I know, we have never seen pictures
: or portraits of Princess Victoria with a
: fringe necklace (or a fringe tiara), this
: necklace is never mentioned in any of the
: autoritative documentation about the British
: royal jewels (Field's or Roberts' books,
: Royal Collection's website...), and we have
: the confirmation by Roberts that the fringe
: necklace worn by the Queen Mother is from
: Queen Adelaide, and not from Princess
: Victoria...
:
: I agree with Merlin that, as Queen Mary
: bequeathed some jewels to her younger
: daughters-in-law, the Duchesses of
: Gloucester and of Kent, there would be no
: reason to treat Queen-Mother Elizabeth
: differently and to deny her any bequest
: (both Queens were known to be in good terms,
: and the fact that QEQM's husband was already
: dead when Queen Mary died in 1953 could not
: have been a reason, as it was the case for
: the Duchess of Kent too).
:
: Regarding the jewels which could have been
: bequeathed by Queen Mary to Queen Elizabeth
: the Queen Mother, Leslie Field mentions a
: sapphire and diamond brooch "almost
: identical [to the Prince Albert Brooch] ,
: which had been bought in 1937 by Queen Mary
: from the London jeweller S. J. Phillips. It
: was one of a set of three that had been part
: of the French Crown Jewels. Queen Mary
: bequeathed it to Queen Elizabeth in
: 1953" . Actually, I am puzzled by this
: assertion, as I can not identify which
: brooch this could be (all the sapphire
: brooches I have seen in the British Royal
: Family are different-looking from The French
: Crown Jewels sapphire brooches). The three
: brooches are, on the pictures below, linked
: to the top of the earrings and as the clasp
: of the necklace on our left:
:
:
:
: There is also the example of another
: sapphire and diamond brooch, from Russian
: origin, thought to have been purchased in
: 1934 by Queen Mary from the daughters of the
: late Russian Empress Maria Feodorovna. Queen
: Elizabeth the Queen Mother wore this brooch
: regularly (though not frequently) throughout
: her life, so we can guess it was a bequest
: from Queen Mary. Queen Elizabeth II wore
: this brooch for the first (and until now
: only) time on 3rd April 2014 when she paid
: an official visit to Italian President
: Giorgio Napolitano and to Pope Francis in
: Rome.
:
:
:
:
: And finally, there is the unclear situation
: of the Delhi Durbar diamond tiara. It was a
: private belonging of Queen Mary (made in
: 1911 with the diamonds from a Boucheron loop
: tiara made in 1902 with diamonds presented
: in 1901 to Queen Mary, then Duchess of York,
: by the directors of the De Beers Mine, Cape
: Town). Hugh Roberts mentions it was
: "loaned" to Queen(-Mother)
: Elizabeth for the South African Tour in 1947
: (which implies it was still considered as
: Queen Mary's private property) and since
: then retained by the Queen-Mother until her
: death in 2002. Maybe Queen Mary bequeathed
: the tiara to Queen Elizabeth the Queen
: Mother (though the latter already had the
: use of it).
:
: Queen Mary probably bequeathed to Queen
: Elizabeth the Queen Mother some smaller
: jewels (bracelets, rings...), but I have not
: tried to hunt for that.
:
: Best wishes,
:
: Arthur
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