Re: Ha ha! (e) Archived Message
Posted by Nellie  on September 1, 2014, 6:36 am, in reply to "Re: Movement of Queen Mary's Jewellery"
I have it!
QEII had her own London fringe necklace. So similar to the heirloom one.
So QEII lent the heirloom one to QEQM.
But all theories require Queen Mary to have hung on to an heirloom fringe and I don't think that was like her.
Edit: perhaps on QEQM becoming Queen, Queen Mary had offered the heirloom one but QEQM could not wear it as a tiara - effectively. None of them could, so Queen Mary offered her own fringe tiara to Queen Elizabeth (QM) instead.
--Previous Message--
: Merlin,
:
: your suggestion that the Fringe Necklace was
: bequeathed by Queen Mary to Queen-Mother
: Elizabeth relies on the fact that the
: Queen-Mother never wore this necklace before
: 1953 and wore it quite frequently after this
: date. That makes it a plausible argument.
:
: Nevertheless, we can also notice that Queen
: Mary was never seen wearing Queen Adelaide's
: Fringe (whether as a tiara or as a necklace)
: after the 1920s. As Queen Adelaide's Fringe
: was a Crown heirloom, it makes sense that
: Queen Mary handed this necklace/tiara to
: Queen Elizabeth in 1936. After, for whatever
: reason, Queen Elizabeth never wore it during
: her husband's reign, but we can not exclude
: that the necklace was already at her
: disposal from the late 1930s on.
:
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: --Previous Message--
:
: Arthur might well be right I don't see much
: evidence of a third fringe.
: What I do still think is that there is no
: visual evidence I have ever seen of QEQM
: wearing a fringe necklace as Queen.
: All those evening events in Canada and South
: Africa along with a host at home.
: I could well accept that on Queen Mary's
: death in 1953 the present Queen waved her
: bequest of the Diamond Fringe Necklace and
: let her Mother have a life time loan of it.
: I come back to my original point that it is
: 1953 of all years that QEQM starts to wear
: the fringe necklace.
: And from then it comes out often.
:
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: --Previous Message--
:
: Arthur - your paras -
:
: First - I completely agree, and think there
: was also that gorgeous pearl brooch of QV
:
: Second - strongly support you there. I have
: never seen it, as far as I can possibly
: know.
:
: Third - not really convinced - not the same
: need.
:
: Don't know about the sapphires.
:
: Final - I strongly support that the Durbar
: never belonged to QEQM. Years ago the Royal
: Insight Q&As supported my belief.
:
:
: --Previous Message--
: Apparently, for whatever reason, Queen
: Elizabeth the Queen Mother retained with
: her, after her husband's death and her
: daughter's accession, several of the jewels
: considered as Crown heirlooms, which she had
: received from Queen Mary in 1936 and which
: she should normally have handed over to
: Queen Elizabeth II in 1952. The most famous
: examples are Queen Victoria's Oriental
: Diadem and Ruby Parure and Queen Victoria's
: Household Diamond Jubilee Brooch, but it is
: also the case with Queen Adelaide's Fringe
: Necklace (Hugh Roberts' The Queen's
: Diamonds explicitely confirms that it was
: retained by the Queen Mother until her death
: in 2002). The Queen (Elizabeth II) would
: have been entitled to claim these jewels
: back as soon as 1952, but she probably did
: not want to enter an argument with her
: mother (considering probably she had enough
: jewels for herself on her own).
:
: Therefore, I am getting more and more
: suspicious about the very existence of a
: fringe necklace from Princess Victoria. As
: far as I know, we have never seen pictures
: or portraits of Princess Victoria with a
: fringe necklace (or a fringe tiara), this
: necklace is never mentioned in any of the
: autoritative documentation about the British
: royal jewels (Field's or Roberts' books,
: Royal Collection's website...), and we have
: the confirmation by Roberts that the fringe
: necklace worn by the Queen Mother is from
: Queen Adelaide, and not from Princess
: Victoria...
:
: I agree with Merlin that, as Queen Mary
: bequeathed some jewels to her younger
: daughters-in-law, the Duchesses of
: Gloucester and of Kent, there would be no
: reason to treat Queen-Mother Elizabeth
: differently and to deny her any bequest
: (both Queens were known to be in good terms,
: and the fact that QEQM's husband was already
: dead when Queen Mary died in 1953 could not
: have been a reason, as it was the case for
: the Duchess of Kent too).
:
: Regarding the jewels which could have been
: bequeathed by Queen Mary to Queen Elizabeth
: the Queen Mother, Leslie Field mentions a
: sapphire and diamond brooch "almost
: identical [to the Prince Albert Brooch] ,
: which had been bought in 1937 by Queen Mary
: from the London jeweller S. J. Phillips. It
: was one of a set of three that had been part
: of the French Crown Jewels. Queen Mary
: bequeathed it to Queen Elizabeth in
: 1953" . Actually, I am puzzled by this
: assertion, as I can not identify which
: brooch this could be (all the sapphire
: brooches I have seen in the British Royal
: Family are different-looking from The French
: Crown Jewels sapphire brooches). The three
: brooches are, on the pictures below, linked
: to the top of the earrings and as the clasp
: of the necklace on our left:
:
:
:
: There is also the example of another
: sapphire and diamond brooch, from Russian
: origin, thought to have been purchased in
: 1934 by Queen Mary from the daughters of the
: late Russian Empress Maria Feodorovna. Queen
: Elizabeth the Queen Mother wore this brooch
: regularly (though not frequently) throughout
: her life, so we can guess it was a bequest
: from Queen Mary. Queen Elizabeth II wore
: this brooch for the first (and until now
: only) time on 3rd April 2014 when she paid
: an official visit to Italian President
: Giorgio Napolitano and to Pope Francis in
: Rome.
:
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:
:
: And finally, there is the unclear situation
: of the Delhi Durbar diamond tiara. It was a
: private belonging of Queen Mary (made in
: 1911 with the diamonds from a Boucheron loop
: tiara made in 1902 with diamonds presented
: in 1901 to Queen Mary, then Duchess of York,
: by the directors of the De Beers Mine, Cape
: Town). Hugh Roberts mentions it was
: "loaned" to Queen(-Mother)
: Elizabeth for the South African Tour in 1947
: (which implies it was still considered as
: Queen Mary's private property) and since
: then retained by the Queen-Mother until her
: death in 2002. Maybe Queen Mary bequeathed
: the tiara to Queen Elizabeth the Queen
: Mother (though the latter already had the
: use of it).
:
: Queen Mary probably bequeathed to Queen
: Elizabeth the Queen Mother some smaller
: jewels (bracelets, rings...), but I have not
: tried to hunt for that.
:
: Best wishes,
:
: Arthur
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