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    Re: Different Observation Archived Message

    Posted by Johan on April 28, 2013, 5:19 am, in reply to "Re: Different Observation"

    She was a great Queen of the Netherlands, but a lousy Head of the House of Orange-Nassau. Her reign lacked a seperate vision for the House of Orange-Nassau but she's introduced a very dangereous thing by creating the noble hereditary titles count of Orange-Nassau and count of Orange-Nassau van Amsberg without restrictions on the use of those names and titles.

    Think of not making the titles within the family comply with the gender neutral succession that was established during her reign, the family-names of Margriet's grandchildren, the use of Noordeinde Palace to register trusts for non-dynasts and relatives who do not belong to the Royal House. The titles for Constantijn's children, the use of the title princess for Mabel, Anita and Aimée. The title for Friso's kids. Or something more simply and more in line with this board: not wearing the House diamonds.



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    : Nicely put.
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    : It shows Beatrix' failure as a good Head of
    : the House of Orange-Nassau. In my view the
    : one area she made mistake after mistake and
    : her reign was a complete disaster.
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    : That was my idea too. Now all Van
    : Vollenhovens
    : have lost their membership of the Royal
    : House, they will become less and lesser
    : visible than they already are, is my guess.
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    : The Duke and Duchess of Parma and the other
    : De Bourbon de Parmes do however frequent
    : international events, like the wedding of
    : Prince Georg Friedrich of Prussia, the
    : Enthronement of the new Pope, the Funeral of
    : Archduke Otto of Austria, the beatification
    : of Emperor Karl, etc. Also at the 40 th
    : birthday of the Prince of Orange, the ladies
    : from Beatrix and Irene were the only ones to
    : wear items from the Foundation.
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    : I have observed something different.
    : Ultimately the foundation is a family
    : foundation. The Queen has shown to care
    : little for such 'technicalities' as who is
    : member of the Royal House. The Bourbon de
    : Parmes have already been borrowing more
    : pieces than the Van Vollenhovens so a
    : distinction is made along other lines
    : regardless what the ranks according to
    : (non)membership of the Royal House might be.
    : In the Netherlands the Bourbon de Parmes may
    : be a mere noble family (HRH if I may add),
    : in Europe they are in the league of
    : non-reigning royal families. They carry
    : ancient hereditary princely, ducal and
    : comital titles and Carlos, Annemarie, Jaime
    : and Carolina have had to officially
    : represent their House on several occasions.
    : The Van Vollenhovens don't really have such
    : responsibilities. Ok. maybe once a
    : year....not the same. And that's what seems
    : to matter. Not what the their place in line
    : to the Dutch throne is/was.
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    : The de Bourbon de Parme's are a Dutch noble
    : family with the prefix HRH but they are not
    : Royals. Maurits, Marilène, Bernhard and
    : Annette are.
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    : But in the future 'the execution of the
    : royal
    : function' as is worded in the statutes of
    : the Foundation means that in principle the
    : jewelry pool is for the Orange-Nassaus
    : (Máxima, Mabel, Laurentien, Beatrix,
    : Margriet) and -when needed- the De Bourbon
    : de Parmes, since they still are a royal
    : family with the prefix HRH.
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