Henri my comments were on her being a bad head of the House of Orange-Nassau. I allready praised her as queen. But the House of Orange-Nassau is not the Royal House and it isn't a noble family either. This third institution is lacking any guidelines.
--Previous Message-- : Except for not wearing the House Diamonds (I : believe the Queen has worn diamond pendants : from the bow brooch) there is finally : uniformity in the Royal House: : : HM The King : HM The Queen : HRH Princess Beatrix of the Netherlands : HRH The Princess of Orange : HRH Princess Alexia of the Netherlands : HRH Princess Ariane of the Netherlands : HRH Prince Constantijn of the Netherlands : HRH Princess Laurentien of the Netherlands : HRH Princess Margriet of the Netherlands : Pieter van Vollenhoven : : That is a quite coherent and uniform group. : The only persons who are of interest outside : this group are the three children of Prince : Constantijn (Countess Eloïse, Count : Claus-Casimir and Countess Eleonore) who : remain successors until their cousine The : Princess of Orange assumes the kingship. : : Queen Beatrix had no say about the De : Bourbon de Parmes and the Guillermo's. The : "mess" lies in the princely titles : of the four Van Vollenhoven boys and that : was Juliana's decision. She could have : created them all nobles with the surname Van : Lippe-Biesterfeld van Vollenhoven. : : No, I think Queen Beatrix is little to blame : because she just respected decisions and : arrangements made by her mother. Anyway, to : come back on the Investiture, my guess is : that Queen Máxima will wear the bandeau of : rose-cut diamonds. It looks like máde for : her, a stunning symbiose with her formal : hairdo, for sure in combination with large : diamond pendant earrings and a collet : collier with big diamonds... : : : : --Previous Message-- : She was a great Queen of the Netherlands, : but : a lousy Head of the House of Orange-Nassau. : Her reign lacked a seperate vision for the : House of Orange-Nassau but she's introduced : a very dangereous thing by creating the : noble hereditary titles count of : Orange-Nassau and count of Orange-Nassau van : Amsberg without restrictions on the use of : those names and titles. : : Think of not making the titles within the : family comply with the gender neutral : succession that was established during her : reign, the family-names of Margriet's : grandchildren, the use of Noordeinde Palace : to register trusts for non-dynasts and : relatives who do not belong to the Royal : House. The titles for Constantijn's : children, the use of the title princess for : Mabel, Anita and Aimée. The title for : Friso's kids. Or something more simply and : more in line with this board: not wearing : the House diamonds. : : : : --Previous Message-- : Nicely put. : : --Previous Message-- : It shows Beatrix' failure as a good Head of : the House of Orange-Nassau. In my view the : one area she made mistake after mistake and : her reign was a complete disaster. : : : --Previous Message-- : That was my idea too. Now all Van : Vollenhovens : have lost their membership of the Royal : House, they will become less and lesser : visible than they already are, is my guess. : : The Duke and Duchess of Parma and the other : De Bourbon de Parmes do however frequent : international events, like the wedding of : Prince Georg Friedrich of Prussia, the : Enthronement of the new Pope, the Funeral of : Archduke Otto of Austria, the beatification : of Emperor Karl, etc. Also at the 40 th : birthday of the Prince of Orange, the ladies : from Beatrix and Irene were the only ones to : wear items from the Foundation. : : --Previous Message-- : I have observed something different. : Ultimately the foundation is a family : foundation. The Queen has shown to care : little for such 'technicalities' as who is : member of the Royal House. The Bourbon de : Parmes have already been borrowing more : pieces than the Van Vollenhovens so a : distinction is made along other lines : regardless what the ranks according to : (non)membership of the Royal House might be. : In the Netherlands the Bourbon de Parmes may : be a mere noble family (HRH if I may add), : in Europe they are in the league of : non-reigning royal families. They carry : ancient hereditary princely, ducal and : comital titles and Carlos, Annemarie, Jaime : and Carolina have had to officially : represent their House on several occasions. : The Van Vollenhovens don't really have such : responsibilities. Ok. maybe once a : year....not the same. And that's what seems : to matter. Not what the their place in line : to the Dutch throne is/was. : : : : : : --Previous Message-- : The de Bourbon de Parme's are a Dutch noble : family with the prefix HRH but they are not : Royals. Maurits, Marilène, Bernhard and : Annette are. : : --Previous Message-- : But in the future 'the execution of the : royal : function' as is worded in the statutes of : the Foundation means that in principle the : jewelry pool is for the Orange-Nassaus : (Máxima, Mabel, Laurentien, Beatrix, : Margriet) and -when needed- the De Bourbon : de Parmes, since they still are a royal : family with the prefix HRH. : : : : : : : : : : : : : : : : : : : : : :
on April 28, 2013, 7:43 am, in reply to "