Re: What if? - a huge chunk of speculation Archived Message
Posted by Boffer on February 22, 2012, 2:40 am, in reply to "Re: What if? - a huge chunk of speculation"
Yes, it would have been Queen Alexandra's circlet that had the Cullinan VI attached, but we have no pictorial evidence or documentation to say where it was attached on the circlet. The Cullinan VI was removed from Queen Alexandra's circlet around 1910, when it was incorporated into a brooch by Garrards for Queen Mary. From 1910 onwards, Queen Alexandra would have worn her own circlet, most notably in the 1913 photographs. This circlet, being her private property with no direct affiliation with the British Crown or British Civic Bodies, passed to Queen Maud upon Alexandra's death, when Alexandra's possessions were divided. That is my understanding of the issue. --Previous Message-- : : Thanks again. : Queen Alexandra's circlet would have had : Cullinan VI attached? : : : : --Previous Message-- : I personally don't at all doubt Queen : Alexandra commissioned her own Regal : Circlet, which is now the one with the : Norwegian Royal Family. : : The pictures of Queen Alexandra wearing a : circlet and Queen Victoria's small crown in : 1913, I believe show the circlet she : commissioned and is now with the Norwegian : royals. My basis for this is not only that : Queen Mary had access to QV's circlet from : 1910 onwards, although she chose not to wear : it as she had her own circlet. : : But also because of the tellingly large : stone that is in the front cross. As can be : seen here and in other pictures from the : same setting, although grainy, there is no : doubt that the stone at the centre of the : cross is a fairly substantial stone. : : : : (reference to the picture being from 1913 : can be found here) : : : http://www.royalcollection.org.uk/egallery/object.asp?searchText=queen+alexandra&x=0&y=0&pagesize=100&object=9215&row=51&detail=about : : Compare the picture of Queen Alexandra I : just posted to this of Queen Mary wearing : Queen Victoria's circlet and you can see the : distinct lack of large stone in the central : cross. : : : : Whereas the cross with the large stone in : the cross is clearly the one now worn by the : Norwegian Queen. : : : : I thus conclude that post 1910 Queen : Alexandra wore the regal circlet she : commissioned, as Queen Victoria's circlet : stayed with the Queen Consort, Queen Mary, : although she did not wear it once she had : her own crown. : : As for Queen Mary's crown, my source (Anna : Keay, The Crown Jewels: Official Guidebook : , (London: Historic Royal Palaces, 2002), : page 25) states: "The crown was : specially constructed so Queen Mary could : wear it as a circlet". And regardless : of whether or not this was an original : aspect of her crown, or a later adaptation, : it is clear from pictorial evidence, that : Queen Mary only wore Queen Victoria's : circlet once. Post-1911, when she had her : own crown, she wore her own circlet. And the : Queen Victoria Regal Circlet was not seen : again. : --Previous Message-- : : Thanks again Boffer. : : "her regal circlet" - I find that : phrase far too slight to conclude that Queen : Alexandra commissioned her own. : As you say we should be reading more about : the Cullinans before long!! : : With repect, more than one reference states : that Queen Mary altered her own crown. : Apart from Queen Victoria and her own small : crown, Queen Mary would have been the one to : introduce the detaching of the arches from : a queen consort's crown. I would have : thought. : Queen Elizabeth (QM) followed the idea and : had hers made that way. : : : : : : :
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